National Protest and 'disband the cops' discussion (and now ICE)

[RustyShackleford]

Gotta love the fat douche with a drop holster!

In my current state, you have to either be in a marked unit or in uniform if in an unmarked to conduct a traffic stop. I suppose what he’s wearing constitutes a uniform. That said, his actions were no where near justified and now his sorry ass is unemployed.

I was rolling in my unmarked ride last week and had what I believe to be a trooper light me up while he was in business attire and driving an unmarked charger. It must not have been that bad because I kept going and he didn’t pursue. All he did was pull up next to me and shake his head. No I didn’t hit my lights.

 

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The fuck?

 

[DA SWO]

The fuck?

Coming to the rest of the country.

 

[Muppet]

Coming to the rest of the country.

Yep

 

[Box]

"Coming"

Did folks forget about how citizens got treated during Katrina?

This isn't just "coming" - its been here - its been here for a hot couple of minutes.
...while the administrators continue to get reelected

 

[AWP]

"Coming"

Did folks forget about how citizens got treated during Katrina?

This isn't just "coming" - its been here - its been here for a hot couple of minutes.
...while the administrators continue to get reelected

I'll never forget a former member, Guard 18D type, telling us how the SF guys were approached first to carry out door-to-door weapons seizures. They declined the opportunity to shit on the Constitution, but the authorities shopped around until they found a Guard unit that would bend the knee.

 

[Muppet]

I'll never forget a former member, Guard 18D type, telling us how the SF guys were approached first to carry out door-to-door weapons seizures. They declined the opportunity to shit on the Constitution, but the authorities shopped around until they found a Guard unit that would bend the knee.

Between guard and feds like Marshall's, I read. Don't know if that's true though.

 

[AWP]

Between guard and feds like Marshall's, I read. Don't know if that's true though.

Brother, the Guard is a double-edged sword in situations like this. On one hand, those units have cops, teachers, etc. who either understand the law or are suspicious enough they won't jump immediately when told to do something.

The other side is if the order comes from a State authority I think the veneer is pulled down and you'll see MORE violations. Personal experience (not Katrina) is your combat arms units are less likely to do things like take your guns; Support and CSS units are more likely. They are more political and have softer spines. Sure, good folks exist in those units, but the overall mentality is just different.
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If I had to pick a combat arms branch the most susceptible to carrying out "Constitution defying" (illegal if you prefer) orders, my money is on ADA. I'd place MP units at the bottom end of protecting your liberties. Sustainment Brigades, Troop Command, etc. will be your center or left of center units to watch.

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If I were a guerilla leader in waiting and shit kicked off, I'd target combat arms and SF for recruitment. My emphasis would be (in order) Infantry, SF, armor/cav, arty, and aviation. CA units can better replicate CS/ CSS than the other way around. Aviation is a different beast and best addressed outside of the above.

I should probably stop typing.

 

[DA SWO]

I'll never forget a former member, Guard 18D type, telling us how the SF guys were approached first to carry out door-to-door weapons seizures. They declined the opportunity to shit on the Constitution, but the authorities shopped around until they found a Guard unit that would bend the knee.

LAPD was more than happy to help.

 

[AWP]

LAPD was more than happy to help.

I am shocked...

 

[Marauder06]

I've seen loads of people over the years saying "The cops/soldiers/xxx would never... ."

Yes, they would. If they wanted to keep their jobs. If the situation was volatile uncertain, complex, and/or ambiguous, or--and this is important--they were conditioned to see YOU as "a threat to democracy" or "literally Hitler" or "deplorable," or a host of other things.

Yes, yes a thousand times yes, they absolutely would.

 

[Topkick]

I've seen loads of people over the years saying "The cops/soldiers/xxx would never... ."

Yes, they would. If they wanted to keep their jobs. If the situation was volatile uncertain, complex, and/or ambiguous, or--and this is important--they were conditioned to see YOU as "a threat to democracy" or "literally Hitler" or "deplorable," or a host of other things.

Yes, yes a thousand times yes, they absolutely would.

When it comes down to putting food on the table, people will do whatever it takes.

 

[Muppet]

Exactly. Protecting their pensions matters more than our rights.

Tell me I'm wrong. Sure, maybe a few LEOs won't be collaborators to the government but many.....

 

[ThunderHorse]

I've seen loads of people over the years saying "The cops/soldiers/xxx would never... ."

Yes, they would. If they wanted to keep their jobs. If the situation was volatile uncertain, complex, and/or ambiguous, or--and this is important--they were conditioned to see YOU as "a threat to democracy" or "literally Hitler" or "deplorable," or a host of other things.

Yes, yes a thousand times yes, they absolutely would.

How many firearms did we confiscate from law abiding citizens during Katrina? 82nd was deployed to New Orleans. I don't think you'd see guys roll out in tanks, but going house to house with Active Duty has already been done. They'll just follow orders, the thing that I wonder about is if shooting actually starts. But then again a Democrat deployed Bradleys on American Civilians once.

 

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Tyrants earning that hate.

 

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More tyrant behavior