National Protest and 'disband the cops' discussion (please review page 1)

Name calling is how they pretend to win an argument by using the fallacy tactic of shaming through gaslighting. Easy to defeat in arguments when you point out that if you cannot argue any which means but with insults meant to shame with, then you really never had a good position from the start.
 
I don't buy all of what Sarah Adams is selling, but she posted this earlier. A photo of the DC NG shooter. Former member of Afghan National Security Unit. They might work with us and fight but that doesn't mean they won't turn.

It was explained to me by a guy who knows all about this stuff. I was asking him if they had any fear of blue on green with these guys, he explicitly told me, "We pay them."

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So, lemme just see if I’m clocking this correctly.

A guy that worked with the US (CIA) for years, with ample opportunity to kill Americans downrange, bides his time.

He gets to America, moves to Washington state, overstays his visa, applies for asylum, and then- for no apparent reason- he gets a revolver and drives 3k miles (he lives within 1 hour of like 6 military installations in an area chock full of soft military targets and strict gun laws) to Washington DC to carry out a low level lone wolf attack.

Hours before the attack happened, google search traffic jumped for his specific name.

Oh. Ok.
 
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Remember how all these folks STANNed to bring these dudes over because they loyally served us even though it put their life on the line supposedly? No, that is mostly ballshoi. They took the job because it PAID. And then most of them switched sides and started shooting at us when it got convenient. These were not like the Hmong in Vietnam. Same with the Iraqi terps. These people will never integrate and they DO NOT want to be American. They just don't want to be in the shithole. We are so stupid.
 
ThunderHorse said:
Remember how all these folks STANNed to bring these dudes over because they loyally served us even though it put their life on the line supposedly? No, that is mostly ballshoi. They took the job because it PAID. And then most of them switched sides and started shooting at us when it got convenient. These were not like the Hmong in Vietnam. Same with the Iraqi terps. These people will never integrate and they DO NOT want to be American. They just don't want to be in the shithole. We are so stupid.
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You say this via personal experience? Genuinely curious.
 
amlove21 said:
So, lemme just see if I’m clocking this correctly.

A guy that worked with the US (CIA) for years, with ample opportunity to kill Americans downrange, bides his time.

He gets to America, moves to Washington state, overstays his visa, applies for asylum, and then- for no apparent reason- he gets a revolver and drives 3k miles (he lives within 1 hour of like 6 military installations in an area chock full of soft military targets and strict gun laws) to Washington DC to carry out a low level lone wolf attack.

Hours before the attack happened, google search traffic jumped for his specific name.

Oh. Ok.
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Move along, nothing to see here.
 
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You say this via personal experience? Genuinely curious.
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Question, why do I need personal experience? There have been many high profile cases involving Afghans committing crimes. To directly answer, experience with Afghans in Afghanistan is zero.

Two examples below:

Afghan National Sentenced to Serve 15 Years in Federal Prison After Plotting Election Day Terror Attack in the United States.

Different guy from above.
Afghan National Pleads Guilty to Plotting Election Day Terror Attack in the United States

ICE arrests Afghani national convicted of assault in Maryland.

The reality is we have a culture, but we should only be admitting people who want to assimilate and be a part of that culture. I'm able to read the newspapers and develop mine own opinions about a situation that our leaders put us in.

I'm certain there were many who needed to get out, but there are just many who have no desire to be American.
 
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ThunderHorse said:
Question, why do I need personal experience? There have been many high profile cases involving Afghans committing crimes.
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I read through your links, and none of the people you mentioned seem to have worked with the U.S. government in Afghanistan. I’ve read posts here with the opposite of your take, so I’m just trying to understand where you’re coming from. It’d be a lot more interesting if you had a personal story that fueled your post.

Truthfully I don’t even care that much, but when you generalize as you did, it’s reasonable to ask what makes you say that.
 
I will say, the Afghan resettlement program was good at first...concentrating on persons who worked for US. Then, it turned into a free for all...lots of persons who never worked for US forces or companies were passed for resettlement, all you needed was the App...vetting turned into a joke...

It just got out of hand...

And...for what it's worth...I spent a month in Kosovo in 2023 doing vetting. It was frustrating.

But, Camp Bondsteel was cool...always wanted to go there on a Army tour for the whole Serbia stuff.
 
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Ooh-Rah said:
I read through your links, and none of the people you mentioned seem to have worked with the U.S. government in Afghanistan. I’ve read posts here with the opposite of your take, so I’m just trying to understand where you’re coming from. It’d be a lot more interesting if you had a personal story that fueled your post.

Truthfully I don’t even care that much, but when you generalize as you did, it’s reasonable to ask what makes you say that.
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My personal story is that I'm from recent enough immigrant stock where I witnessed full assimilation. Many of us on this board have families with humble beginnings. But my grandfather didn't learn English until High School, then he served in Korea. The main language at their table was English, but when things don't translate my father would rattle off in Spanish and the conversation would continue in Spanish for awhile and then they would switch. My grandfather was very proud of being an American, was he proud of being Mexican? That I don't know because he died when I was 11 and we never got to have a deep relationship. BUT, the point is I've seen what full assimilation is. It doesn't mean giving up your culture either.

I just remember sitting at his table during the INS raids of the 90s, "just make sure they deport the Irish ones too."
 
There's no reason to think anything more than this guy fought on our side years ago, became radicalized, and decided to take a shot at the NG in DC because he felt it was a more symbolic target than any other place.

This guy was trained in CQB as well as many SOF were, and did as many raids and HVT takedowns as most anybody else. I for one am glad he didn't obtain heavier weapons and do more damage than he did.
 
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Wait, Blue on Blue violence that killed dozens of Americans was so pervasive commanders created their own ad hoc PSD's to protect them and their troops. So frequent it was often reported on in numerous mainstream sources, to say nothing of folks like us. People find it shocking Afghans would come to this country and want to kill us?

Anyone who is shocked or surprised? Shut the fuck up, moron.

I think this country would like to do anything but learn from that war. Anything.
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