New Zealand Army Fields New Camouflage Pattern

[pardus]

I guess they haven't been following the ACU debate in the USA...

2 issues, 1, A single camo pattern simply doesn't work for everything, and 2, this is too light coloured for a lot of NZ (not to mention jungle environments).

My initial impression is that this is not a smart move. They would've been far better picking up multicam or the British Multi Terrain Pattern (MTP).

 

[DA SWO]

ACU Marpat?

Needs more brown/green

 

[Coyote]

Do you think they just wanted to make a statement that they're independent and developed their own camouflage pattern to use or is it that difficult to get required permissions to use other patterns like multicam developed by other countries?

 

[LimaOscarSierraTango]

Real camo?!? I thought they were going to be wearing something like this when I read the title:

 

[Coyote]

Please tell me that is sheep skin. LOL.

 

[pardus]

Please tell me that is sheep skin. LOL.

No, it's fake.

 

[pardus]

Do you think they just wanted to make a statement that they're independent and developed their own camouflage pattern to use or is it that difficult to get required permissions to use other patterns like multicam developed by other countries?

I'm sure it's an independent thing I'm sure.
The Brit DPM we wore for years worked pretty bloody well in the bush.

If anyone wants to wear something like Multicam/MTP etc... all you need to do is pay for it.

 

[Coyote]

If anyone wants to wear something like Multicam/MTP etc... all you need to do is pay for it.

Roger, didn't know the restrictions on those patterns are lighter in nature compared to others (like CADPAT for instance).

They also must be saving money by producing and supplying their own pattern, but they could have at least adopted similar colours to the British DPM since in your experience and I'm sure in many others' it worked very well.

 

[pardus]

Roger, didn't know the restrictions on those patterns are lighter in nature compared to others (like CADPAT for instance).

They also must be saving money by producing and supplying their own pattern, but they could have at least adopted similar colours to the British DPM since in your experience and I'm sure in many others' it worked very well.

Let me be clear, I don't know the exact requirements for each cam pattern. I know Crye sold multicam to the US Army and then developed MTP for the Brits because they wanted something a little different.
Yes I'm sure they saved a ton of money developing their own cam but they started with a flawed foundation IMHO by looking for a one cam does all pattern.

 

[0699]

I like the coyote accessories.

 

[Florida173]

I like the coyote accessories.

I've always missed the point in the solid color kit on any campat

 

[pardus]

I've always missed the point in the solid color kit on any campat

The other option is what? 2 or 3 different sets of web gear. That would be nice but never going to happen given budget restraints.

Speaking of which, web gear is pretty easily camouflaged with a lick of paint, and can be repainted again for different terrain.
Just hide from the CSM lol

 

[Florida173]

The other option is what? 2 or 3 different sets of web gear. That would be nice but never going to happen given budget restraints.

Speaking of which, web gear is pretty easily camouflaged with a lick of paint, and can be repainted again for different terrain.
Just hide from the CSM lol

Good point.. camouflage of kit has always been a pretty basic soldier task..

 

[pardus]

Good point.. camouflage of kit has always been a pretty basic soldier task..

Indeed. One of my first lessons on my scouts course was about how lazy camouflaged uniforms had made Soldiers with regards to personal camouflage.

 

[DA SWO]

Please tell me that is sheep skin. LOL.

No, it's fake.

and Pardus wonders why people think he shags sheep.

 

[AWP]

We revisit the absurdity of modern camoflage every few weeks. One would think, would hope, that after 11+ years of combat across the globe on top of previous experience that our nations would learn that there is no "one size fits all" pattern.

But...no, we can't do that.

In a bizarre fantasy world I have to wonder if a nation is better off with reasonably inexpensive ripstop cotton khakis which can have spray paint applied to darken or color as needed and then wear plain khaki in garrison.

At this point, I don't think we could come up with a worse idea than what the US has seen in the last few years with UCP and the ABU pattern. Add New Zealand's 25% (my number because that's what it looks like) improvement over UCP and the Tale of Broken Camoflage continues.

Nicely done.

 

[pardus]

I asked a Kiwi Vietnam vet if he wished they could've had camouflage uniforms, he said No, that soon enough they were sweating so much the OD's they were wearing had dark patches that gave a camo effect. Add web gear and shadow to the equation and its not a bad option.

What's really crazy is that the civilian market has far better camouflage than we do, and it's mostly worn to go to walmart...

 

[SpongeBob*24]

What's really crazy is that the civilian market has far better camouflage than we do, and it's mostly worn to go to walmart...

Or to mow the grass here in the South.....


I like that camo for some reason...how are those boots....? Do they have to be black?

 

[reed11b]

Still 1000x better than UCP.
Reed

 

[Mac_NZ]

Multicam and MTP didn't score high enough in the testing to be adopted. Multicam was almost a done deal.

Then there is the whole "Army brand" bullshit that got brought into it.