No muzzle rise on full-auto...

[TheSiatonist]

Anyone here have any personal experience with any of FERFRANS' SOAR variants?

Very surprising to see no muzzle rise even with a larger round. What do you guys think of it?


Disclaimer: I have very limited experience with firearms on full-auto.

 

[RackMaster]

Very interesting, I'd like to try them out.

Here's the company site.
http://www.ferfrans.net/

 

[ÉIREGOBRÁCH1922]

Very interesting. Cool stuff!

You would never have guessed he worked for the Falcon Security Group Inc.! :-"

 

[HOLLiS]

and? What larger round? I must have missed something. Rifle design, AR platform is designed that way for that reason. What do you think causes muzzle lift? Stock drop.

 

[CDG]

Re the second video:
Is that the new way to hold a rifle when firing? His off-arm looked to be in a very odd position..... Almost like he was trying to get his hand on top of the rifle to hold the muzzle down. The guy in the first video had his elbow flared out too, although his hand wasn't in the same position as the guy in the sercond video. Seems a rather awkward position for shooting, a good way to get an elbow blown off, and completely unfeasible for room clearing/moving in a congested area.

 

[Ranger Psych]

Elbow wasn't flared much if at all in the first video, and that's called thumb over bore and is a pretty common thing. Try it sometime.

 

[CDG]

Elbow wasn't flared much if at all in the first video, and that's called thumb over bore and is a pretty common thing. Try it sometime.

Never seen it before. Thanks for the info.

 

[Brill]

Elbow wasn't flared much if at all in the first video, and that's called thumb over bore and is a pretty common thing. Try it sometime.

I'll second that! Changed my life!!!

Unless you're doing "the peel", why go full auto?

 

[policemedic]

I'll second that! Changed my life!!!

Unless you're doing "the peel", why go full auto?

Because you saw Charlie Sheen do it in "Navy SEALs". Or you just like to waste ammo. I can see circumstances where it's beneficial, but for the most part I say semi is the way to go.

 

[AWP]

Unless you're doing "the peel", why go full auto?

You clearly don't know anything about Call of Duty. :)

 

[pardus]

I was originally trained to shoot full auto in certain situations so I do see a use for it. It does need a Soldier to be well trained though as it is something to be used very sparingly.

 

[txpj007]

and? What larger round? I must have missed something. Rifle design, AR platform is designed that way for that reason. What do you think causes muzzle lift? Stock drop.

.308 in the second video

 

[TLDR20]

Re the second video:
Is that the new way to hold a rifle when firing? His off-arm looked to be in a very odd position..... Almost like he was trying to get his hand on top of the rifle to hold the muzzle down. The guy in the first video had his elbow flared out too, although his hand wasn't in the same position as the guy in the sercond video. Seems a rather awkward position for shooting, a good way to get an elbow blown off, and completely unfeasible for room clearing/moving in a congested area.

I started shooting very similar to that in SFAUCC. Holding the rifle out farther like that gives you much better control of the rifle.

 

[pardus]

I started shooting very similar to that in SFAUCC. Holding the rifle out farther like that gives you much better control of the rifle.

I can see how it would control muzzle rise, is it as stable as the conventional grip?

 

[TLDR20]

I can see how it would control muzzle rise, is it as stable as the conventional grip?

I think it gives you more control. It also allows you to drive your weapon better from target to target.

 

[pardus]

Roger, thanks. I'll try it out.

 

[Brill]

I think it gives you more control. It also allows you to drive your weapon better from target to target.

Here is SGM Lamb with the same grip.

 

[shortbrownguy]

Re the second video:
Is that the new way to hold a rifle when firing? His off-arm looked to be in a very odd position..... Almost like he was trying to get his hand on top of the rifle to hold the muzzle down. The guy in the first video had his elbow flared out too, although his hand wasn't in the same position as the guy in the sercond video. Seems a rather awkward position for shooting, a good way to get an elbow blown off, and completely unfeasible for room clearing/moving in a congested area.

Not new, and you may be outrunning your headlights with your comments.
YMMV
SBG sends.

 

[TLDR20]

Yeah that is really the standard now as far as I know... Some old retired SF guy saw me shoot like that and gave mr shut, I told him that is the way it is taught, and it is much more effective.

 

[Brill]

Nothing like shooting and Nickleback blaring in the background!