Northern Iraq & the IS.

[Mac_NZ]

I was on the fence about the invasion of Iraq in 03, I would wholeheartedly support a fucking Pope sanctioned crusade in Iraq/Syria right about now.

The sheeple need to be forced to watch the raw footage of what is going on there right now, 7 year old girls need to be coming home from school in tears shocked and quaking with fear that ISIS is going to get them. Maybe then the masses of sheep that haven't had to shoulder the burden of their own security for so long they live in a deluded utopia will finally demand that the gloves be taken off.

 

[Diamondback 2/2]

Yeah pretty much I'm down for helping the Kurds. Shit if I was not tied up now, I would not mind shipping out as a passport civi, offering my less than knowledgeable advice...

 

[Gunz]

How much infrastructure do you need to run a 10th century caliphate? The leaders get the nice cribs and concubines...everybody else craps in the bushes and drinks river water. Your kid goes to the madrassa (only one book), your wife wears a blanket on her head (no Saks 5th Avenue) and you do anything you're told. You get sick, cold, hungry, suck it up, it's the will of Allah. Because the complaint department is a pit out back full of rotting corpses.

The only way these guys are gonna be stopped is by brute force. Go ahead and apply sanctions, freeze their assets, drop humanitarian aid, strike them from the air when they go mobile in their captured vehicles...but in the end somebody's going to have to get face-to face primal with these MFers.

 

[Marine0311]

How much infrastructure do you need to run a 10th century caliphate? The leaders get the nice cribs and concubines...everybody else craps in the bushes in drinks river water. Your kid goes to the madrassa (only one book), your wife wears a blanket on her head (no Saks 5th Avenue) and you do anything you're told. You get sick, cold, hungry, suck it up, it's the will of Allah. Because the complaint department is a pit out back full of rotting corpses.

The only way these guys are gonna be stopped is by brute force. Go ahead and apply sanctions, freeze their assets, drop humanitarian aid, strike them from the air when they go mobile in their captured vehicles...but in the end somebody's going to have to get face-to face primal with these MFers.

I agree. I am leaning towards that position. Naked brute force. Wipe them all out.

 

[Dame]

Well, someone's sending SF. Thank goodness.

Britain deploys SAS special forces in northern Iraq

1 hour ago

LONDON (Reuters) - Britain has deployed SAS special forces in northern Iraq where thousands of civilians are trapped on a mountain by Sunni militant fighters, the Daily Telegraph newspaper reported on Thursday.
Citing Britain's trade envoy to Iraq, Emma Nicholson, the paper said that officers from the Special Air Service (SAS), the army's special forces regiment, were working with U.S. troops to gather intelligence and had been in Iraq for about six weeks.
When asked about the newspaper report, a spokesman for Britain's Ministry of Defence said it did not comment on special forces operations.
http://news.yahoo.com/britain-deplo...thern-iraq-telegraph-092225479--business.html

 

[pardus]

Well, someone's sending SF. Thank goodness.

Britain deploys SAS Special Forces in northern Iraq

1 hour ago

LONDON (Reuters) - Britain has deployed SAS Special Forces in northern Iraq where thousands of civilians are trapped on a mountain by Sunni militant fighters, the Daily Telegraph newspaper reported on Thursday.
Citing Britain's trade envoy to Iraq, Emma Nicholson, the paper said that officers from the Special Air Service (SAS), the army's Special Forces regiment, were working with U.S. troops to gather intelligence and had been in Iraq for about six weeks.
When asked about the newspaper report, a spokesman for Britain's Ministry of Defence said it did not comment on Special Forces operations.
http://news.yahoo.com/britain-deplo...thern-iraq-telegraph-092225479--business.html

IF this article is to be believed then the SAS members will probably be doing not much except talk/advise and write reports etc... They are Officers not operators.

 

[compforce]

IF this article is to be believed then the SAS members will probably be doing not much except talk/advise and write reports etc... They are Officers not operators.

Death by Power Point!

 

[AWP]

Yay...the SAS are in town. Why? Maybe they needed per diem? Training? Advising? Shooting people in the face?

Who cares? I may care but I don't need to know. I hate these articles. Short on substance, long on the "Ooh and ahh factor" for ratings. If you take it at 100% face value (I trust professional wrestling more than I do the modern media) you have a bunch of Captains and Majors sitting around and gathering/ collating/ analysing intel reports. Good stuff, but I doubt that's what is going on. Besides, I've seen our own press call NCO's "officers" (for those of you playing along at home, that's the "O" in "NCO") so the Reuter's article is less trustworthy than my cat.

As much as I hate the concept of becoming involved in Iraq, I hate ISIS/L even more. What really chafes me is we're putting more effort into stopping them than we are in Afghanistan. I may point out that our departure from Afghanistan will more or less mirror our departure from Iraq.

Madness.

 

[Gunz]

Yay...the SAS are in town. Why? Maybe they needed per diem? Training? Advising? Shooting people in the face?
...Madness.

I agree 100%. Sending an SAS contingent (as much as I dig those guys) is just another half-hearted, half-assed gesture. It makes the politicians feel good, like they're doing something about the situation without the risk of any real committment. Gestures aren't gonna stop these fucking animals. I don't want to see our guys and girls getting tangled up in this shit again...but God knows we've gone to war for lesser reasons. What's needed here are not contingents but divisions of cold-blooded killers. If ever there was a need for a coalition, it's now. If these ISIS fuckers aren't worth killing, nobody is.

Sadly, Free, I also agree with you about Afghanistan. My feelings about COIN/FID operations can be summed up in a simple sentence: all the enemy has to do to win is wait for us to leave.

 

[Brill]

Yay...the SAS are in town. Why? Maybe they needed per diem? Training? Advising? Shooting people in the face?

Who cares? I may care but I don't need to know. I hate these articles. Short on substance, long on the "Ooh and ahh factor" for ratings. If you take it at 100% face value (I trust professional wrestling more than I do the modern media) you have a bunch of Captains and Majors sitting around and gathering/ collating/ analysing intel reports. Good stuff, but I doubt that's what is going on. Besides, I've seen our own press call NCO's "officers" (for those of you playing along at home, that's the "O" in "NCO") so the Reuter's article is less trustworthy than my cat.

As much as I hate the concept of becoming involved in Iraq, I hate ISIS/L even more. What really chafes me is we're putting more effort into stopping them than we are in Afghanistan. I may point out that our departure from Afghanistan will more or less mirror our departure from Iraq.

Madness.

Afghan-I-forgot.

 

[CQB]

How much infrastructure do you need to run a 10th century caliphate? The leaders get the nice cribs and concubines...everybody else craps in the bushes and drinks river water. Your kid goes to the madrassa (only one book), your wife wears a blanket on her head (no Saks 5th Avenue) and you do anything you're told. You get sick, cold, hungry, suck it up, it's the will of Allah. Because the complaint department is a pit out back full of rotting corpses.

The only way these guys are gonna be stopped is by brute force. Go ahead and apply sanctions, freeze their assets, drop humanitarian aid, strike them from the air when they go mobile in their captured vehicles...but in the end somebody's going to have to get face-to face primal with these MFers.

As Allah, the powerful ME Tooth Fairy has protected Gaza, it is written it will protect the IS.

 

[pardus]

I agree 100%. Sending an SAS contingent (as much as I dig those guys) is just another half-hearted, half-assed gesture. It makes the politicians feel good, like they're doing something about the situation without the risk of any real committment. Gestures aren't gonna stop these fucking animals. I don't want to see our guys and girls getting tangled up in this shit again...but God knows we've gone to war for lesser reasons. What's needed here are not contingents but divisions of cold-blooded killers. If ever there was a need for a coalition, it's now. If these ISIS fuckers aren't worth killing, nobody is.

Sadly, Free, I also agree with you about Afghanistan. My feelings about COIN/FID operations can be summed up in a simple sentence: all the enemy has to do to win is wait for us to leave.

If an SAS squadron was sent in (supported) it would be a far different story. They could indeed be a game changer, just as the small number of SOF guys (supported) routed the Taliban circa 2001.

 

[Gunz]

If an SAS squadron was sent in (supported) it would be a far different story. They could indeed be a game changer, just as the small number of SOF guys (supported) routed the Taliban circa 2001.

Yes sir, SOF + Terminal Guidance is a beautiful thing. But in urban areas wouldn't those options be limited? I'm just thinking if ISIS feels enough pressure they'll activate "jihadist default mode" and melt into the urban labyrinth where they can hide behind women and children. These guys have made clear their intentions of taking over the Islamic world and annihilating the Jewish State. As much faith as we have in precision munitions and Special Operations it seems to me that ultimately--with these fanatics-- it's going to have to get down to rifles and frags.

(Speaking of Israel, I wonder which ISIS OPLAN they'll choose to initiate in case the insanity gets too close.)

 

[Queeg]

(Speaking of Israel, I wonder which ISIS OPLAN they'll choose to initiate in case the insanity gets too close.)

OPLAN GLASS THEM ALL

 

[Crusader74]

They are producing their own propaganda videos now to scare the bejaysus out of the West and all that is normal...

This is an hour long and I must say it scares the bejaysus out of me..

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[Gunz]

I can see this kind of thing appealing to young, poor, malcontented Muslim males. You get to kill and rape and loot and go nuts, get all those frustrations out, vent off all that pent up anger. ISIS will get its share of recruits through videos like this...and in the active recruiting efforts going on in Muslim communities around the world.

I'll bet the "moderate" oil sheiks are probably watching this unfold with trepidation. Maybe that's why ISIS is getting funding from SA, Qatar and Kuwait. The Princes have always feared groundswells like this...it could mean the end of Mercedes races in the desert and partying in foreign discos.

 

[Etype]

...

I've always thought the Taliban would be the only option if I were a kid growing up Afghanistan- it's a terrible boring place, no adventure or fun to be had.

Now the poor desert regions of southeastern Syria and western Iraq have their equivalent.

 

[Brill]

I've always thought the Taliban would be the only option if I were a kid growing up Afghanistan- it's a terrible boring place, no adventure or fun to be had.

Now the poor desert regions of southeastern Syria and western Iraq have their equivalent.

All about status; no different than a poor kid looking at Latin Kings, Bloods, Crips, etc.

 

[Etype]

All about status; no different than a poor kid looking at Latin Kings, Bloods, Crips, etc.

In addition to that- there's not much a chance for a kid in Iraq or Afghanistan or wherever to join the national security forces.

Kids living in western Anbar are far removed from the Baghdad centric Shia clique that is ISF, they know that its not for them.

 

[Gunz]

Not only that, what to do in a culture that suppresses sexual, behavioral and intellectual expression...key outlets for teenagers and young adults. Not a lot of fun-options available.