NOW can we be done with the silly, "women in combat roles" debate?

As a female, I completely understand the desire for parity. BUT, if you can't do three pull ups (or pull your injured comrades to safety when they need you), you shouldn't be in that role. This makes me so mad that the powers that be don't get it. The funny thing is, I don't think it is the female marines screaming for it to be done. It seems like it is the PC police trying to make sure things are "fair and balanced".

I would hate to think that my nephew, son, cousin, father, uncle, friend, etc., was counting on someone half their size to get them out of a shitstorm.
 
lindy said:
We have female cops & firefighters. Do they have different PT standards?
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Good question. I was just looking at the City of Pittsburgh requirements. It doesnt appear that the Pittsburgh Fire Department has male/female standards on their physical test: http://www.iafflocal1.org/docs/2012 Firefighter Recruit Physical Ability Exam.pdf

City of Pittsburgh Police use the MPOETC standards listed here: http://www.mpoetc.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt/community/mpoetc/7545/officer_certification/561278
 
In Durham the standard for Police was Gender neutral, which made it pretty darn easy for males.
 
The City of Durham list a physical entry requirement for a recruit for the 300 meter run within 82.9 seconds. (no gender specified) http://durhamnc.gov/ich/op/DPD/Pages/Fitness.aspx

In comparison, the gender specific charts for the MPOETC lists an acceptable score for entry level the 300 meter run for a female aged 30-39 at 82.0 seconds. The acceptable time for a male in that age group is 63.0
seconds.

mpoetcstandards.jpg
 
Comparing copwork to Infantry duties (specifically in physical activity) is retarded. All the bullshit pushups, situps, pullups and runs don't mean shit, when we do a 10+ mile ruck with over 100lbs of bullshit, and conduct an live fire assault.

The PFT's are just that a baseline test of fitness. If you're not passing the baseline, don't even start talking about mission readiness/fitness stuff.

I really wish people would pull their heads out of their asses about this "women in the Infantry" bullshit. And no, manning the 240B on a humvee during a convoy once in Iraq, is not the same thing as being a fucking Infantryman. People who use that bullshit analogy have no fucking clue what the fuck they are talking about.

Furthermore instead of dropping the fucking standards b/c only a 5th of the women who tried passed, look into those three that passed, use their data and background to recruit your Infantrywomen candidates in the future. That would probably boost the numbers a bit, I mean it ain't fucking rocket doctor shit here.

People are fucking stupid nowadays....
 
If you dumb the standards down enough, you don't need separate male and female physical requirements. That's what's going to happen, the MOS requirements are going to get "re-evaluated" and lowered, so both genders can easily meet the new standards.
 
lindy said:
Really? How so?

My experience in OEF attached to an ODA totally refutes your statement (e.g. Targeting, patrol, gathering intel or evidence, SSE, etc.).
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I was not talking about technical skills, I was talking about physical activities. Outside of some game wardens and some aspects for SWAT cops, the physical activity levels are worlds apart.

I don't have personal experience in astan, but from what I'm told walking up and down mountains are a bit harder than walking a street, or doing a mounted patrol.
 
Marauder06 said:
If you dumb the standards down enough, you don't need separate male and female physical requirements. That's what's going to happen, the MOS requirements are going to get "re-evaluated" and lowered, so both genders can easily meet the new standards.
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That should work great for the next war....glad I won't be a part of it.
 
Marauder06 said:
You might be bro, because part of it might be here.
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LOL, if that ever happens, I plan to link up with a few of the other whack jobs on here and form our own damn unit.

But really though, some things should not be messed with, lowering the standards for your front-line trigger pullers is probably not a good idea for anyone.
 

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