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Recall our guy, and call them out on the Nuke Treaty violations.
Uninvite them from the G-8 (?) summit, but that won't happen because POTUS doesn't care, Sec State thinks more Polar Bears will die from GW, and the media doesn't give a fuck when the WH has a democrat resident.
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Canada and Norway are surely watching with interest as these events undoubtedly foreshadow the impending Great Land Grab of the Arctic.
I don't think so. Any unilateral sanctions put on China by the US will hit very hard, unlike any on Russia.
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Just heard on CNN that the National Security Team met at the White House yet POTUS was NOT/NOT at the meeting.
I guess we know the answer to "Whacha gonna do PL?"
I guess we know the answer to "Whacha gonna do PL?"
Weekly Standard is reporting same.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs...urity-team-meeting-russia-ukraine_783659.html
Im not sure if this tweet is factual or satire.
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There is some truth in that but it's more complex than that as well. What would the impact of such sanctions be to the U.S. economy? How would it impact the price of goods, U.S. businesses, etc.? There could be some symbolic sanctions but would the U.S. economy and American consumers really withstand a larger, impactful sanction? Our economies have many ties. And while China may not necessarily be changing it's strategy toward U.S. Treasury holdings, they are reducing them. A sign of changes? Who knows.
Especially since Russia recently created a new command for the Arctic. In essence doing what our gov't promised but couldn't achieve. But there's a reason our troops have been spending a lot of time around the circle the last few years.
http://rt.com/politics/russian-arctic-military-command-397/
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His vision of the situation with the correspondent of "Day" shared Andrei Klimenko, chairman Tauride Institute of Regional Development:
- The situation is very complicated. I do not know whether there is any force that could cause the Russian authorities to change their mind and abandon these mutually fatal events from the war, which threatens to turn into a third world war. My prediction - troops overnight, or even on this very night, will be introduced in Kharkiv, Donetsk, Luhansk, Mykolaiv region. In Crimea, they already have, but all attention is fixated only to the Crimea. As is known, a column of Russian troops had already left the Crimea and moves along the track towards Kharkov Melitopol and Zaporozhye.
Nicholas SEEDS, "Day", Simferopol
http://www.day.kiev.ua/ru/news/0103...-nochyu-budut-vvedeny-v-harkovskuyu-doneckuyu
- The situation is very complicated. I do not know whether there is any force that could cause the Russian authorities to change their mind and abandon these mutually fatal events from the war, which threatens to turn into a third world war. My prediction - troops overnight, or even on this very night, will be introduced in Kharkiv, Donetsk, Luhansk, Mykolaiv region. In Crimea, they already have, but all attention is fixated only to the Crimea. As is known, a column of Russian troops had already left the Crimea and moves along the track towards Kharkov Melitopol and Zaporozhye.
Nicholas SEEDS, "Day", Simferopol
http://www.day.kiev.ua/ru/news/0103...-nochyu-budut-vvedeny-v-harkovskuyu-doneckuyu
The continuing story...
http://m.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2014/03/putin-goes-to-war-in-crimea.html
http://m.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2014/03/putin-goes-to-war-in-crimea.html
An article from 1993 about why Ukraine shouldn't give up its nuclear deterrent.
The author of the article is John Mearshimer, those of you who study international relations might recognize the name.
http://mearsheimer.uchicago.edu/pdfs/A0020.pdf
The author of the article is John Mearshimer, those of you who study international relations might recognize the name.
http://mearsheimer.uchicago.edu/pdfs/A0020.pdf
I may be going against the "norm" here, but the complexity of Crimea's history is hardly black and white here.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...-take-a-look-back-at-its-complicated-history/
Crimea currently is somewhat a "shared" territory between Ukraine and Russia after the Treaty of Friendship that gave Russia the chance to keep it's Black Sea fleet in the area. I was not one to freak out when I heard Russian troops were "invading" Crimea...if they had a Navy there, isn't it fair to assume they had a military presence there already? The additional troops they send there probably are going to Sevastopol to protect it's precious fleet, which historically is the most valued thing to Russians as they are very much seafaring people.
Also, there is damn near almost a 50/50 split between those who think of themselves as ethnic Ukrainian speakers as opposed to Russian speakers. Most of those that favor Russia are from the East and South, where Crimea is, while the North and West favor EU/Western civilization. I think it appears there is complete support for reform and a Western-minded government because Kiev, where Yanukovych was ousted, is situated in the area of Ukraine that is not as friendly to Russia. Yanukovych was elected under the watch of U.N monitors in 2010 and then they saw the election as "free and fair". Is this new government still considered democratically "free and fair" with the ousting of one leader for favor of someone that caters to the people in the Region of Kiev?
There's just so much complexity to the history of this region for simplistic headlines like "Russia invades Ukraine!" and "Ukraine ousts Yanukovych in favor of the West!" to hold any water. I am not a supporter of Russia or how it does business, but let us at least understand why things are the way they are now. I just turn off the TV when the news starts talking about this conflict. Reading a book about Crimea, Ukraine, and Russia benefits me more and lets me maintain my sanity...
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...-take-a-look-back-at-its-complicated-history/
Crimea currently is somewhat a "shared" territory between Ukraine and Russia after the Treaty of Friendship that gave Russia the chance to keep it's Black Sea fleet in the area. I was not one to freak out when I heard Russian troops were "invading" Crimea...if they had a Navy there, isn't it fair to assume they had a military presence there already? The additional troops they send there probably are going to Sevastopol to protect it's precious fleet, which historically is the most valued thing to Russians as they are very much seafaring people.
Also, there is damn near almost a 50/50 split between those who think of themselves as ethnic Ukrainian speakers as opposed to Russian speakers. Most of those that favor Russia are from the East and South, where Crimea is, while the North and West favor EU/Western civilization. I think it appears there is complete support for reform and a Western-minded government because Kiev, where Yanukovych was ousted, is situated in the area of Ukraine that is not as friendly to Russia. Yanukovych was elected under the watch of U.N monitors in 2010 and then they saw the election as "free and fair". Is this new government still considered democratically "free and fair" with the ousting of one leader for favor of someone that caters to the people in the Region of Kiev?
There's just so much complexity to the history of this region for simplistic headlines like "Russia invades Ukraine!" and "Ukraine ousts Yanukovych in favor of the West!" to hold any water. I am not a supporter of Russia or how it does business, but let us at least understand why things are the way they are now. I just turn off the TV when the news starts talking about this conflict. Reading a book about Crimea, Ukraine, and Russia benefits me more and lets me maintain my sanity...
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Things move pretty quickly. The Navy chief has switched sides.
http://m.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11212593
http://m.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11212593
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So, based on your logic, the Russians would be legitimately entitled, allowed, whatever, to take back Alaska? International treaties, law, and territorial sovereignty be damned when there's complicated history involved!!!
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Remember this little gem? I think the Russians mistranslated "flexibility" to pizda.
“On all these issues, but particularly missile defense, this can be solved, but it’s important for him to give me space,” Mr. Obama could be heard saying to Mr. Medvedev, according a reporter from ABC News, who was traveling with the president.
“Yeah, I understand,” the departing Russian president said. “I understand your message about space. Space for you ... .”
Mr. Obama then elaborated in a portion of the exchange picked up by the cameras: “This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility.”
“I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir,” Mr. Medvedev said, referring to Prime Minister Vladimir V. Putin, who just won an election to succeed Mr. Medvedev.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/27/u...one-telling-medvedev-of-flexibility.html?_r=0
“On all these issues, but particularly missile defense, this can be solved, but it’s important for him to give me space,” Mr. Obama could be heard saying to Mr. Medvedev, according a reporter from ABC News, who was traveling with the president.
“Yeah, I understand,” the departing Russian president said. “I understand your message about space. Space for you ... .”
Mr. Obama then elaborated in a portion of the exchange picked up by the cameras: “This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility.”
“I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir,” Mr. Medvedev said, referring to Prime Minister Vladimir V. Putin, who just won an election to succeed Mr. Medvedev.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/27/u...one-telling-medvedev-of-flexibility.html?_r=0
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