Podcasts.

Devildoc said:
But sometimes you do have to figure out the shit from the shinola and discern who has an axe to grind or an agenda to push.
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Unfortunately that's a thing in history. The amount of nonsense and outright lies that made it into our common understanding is staggering. One of my current favorites is how the West trusted Mitsuo Fuchida's "memory" of key events in WWII. Most of Fuchida's WWII narrative was proven to be false thanks to scholarship in the last few decades. He and the German generals had reason to ingratiate themselves with the Allies, so their versions are proving to be false over time.

They say victors write the history, but I disagree.
 
AWP said:
Unfortunately that's a thing in history. The amount of nonsense and outright lies that made it into our common understanding is staggering. One of my current favorites is how the West trusted Mitsuo Fuchida's "memory" of key events in WWII. Most of Fuchida's WWII narrative was proven to be false thanks to scholarship in the last few decades. He and the German generals had reason to ingratiate themselves with the Allies, so their versions are proving to be false over time.

They say victors write the history, but I disagree.
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Yes, it is (a thing with history). We saw that with Ambrose and band of Brothers.

The other thing podcasts and books are good at is the variety of eyewitness accounts. Seeing the same event through a bunch of lenses is fascinating and adds depth and texture to an event.
 
Devildoc said:
Yes, it is (a thing with history). We saw that with Ambrose and band of Brothers.

The other thing podcasts and books are good at is the variety of eyewitness accounts. Seeing the same event through a bunch of lenses is fascinating and adds depth and texture to an event.
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This is key.

There are always multiple views of a story/event, but these may occur through different lenses -- none of which has a complete picture of events and all of which can be true through the lens in which they were viewed.
 
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That was a great video.
I have to admit, at the 38:35 mark on that video, you earned the number one all time spot as my favorite PJ ever...

Seriously though - that was a good watch.
 
Box said:
That was a great video.
I have to admit, at the 38:35 mark on that video, you earned the number one all time spot as my favorite PJ ever...

Seriously though - that was a good watch.
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I had a meeting yesterday with some surgeons, EM docs, and one med student here at Duke who was a delta, and we all agreed that a) trauma ain't hard and SOCM makes it way harder than it has to be, and b) the best trauma guys are just the ones who do it the most. But I do enjoy the (good natured) pissing contest among the J's, deltas, ranger medics, SOIDCs, and (oof) SEAL 'medics' about who is the bestest (and well know it's never the SEAL 'medic').

@amlove21 , that was entertaining, thanks for sharing. Those guys are a hoot.
 
Devildoc said:
I had a meeting yesterday with some surgeons, EM docs, and one med student here at Duke who was a delta, and we all agreed that a) trauma ain't hard and SOCM makes it way harder than it has to be, and b) the best trauma guys are just the ones who do it the most. But I do enjoy the (good natured) pissing contest among the J's, deltas, ranger medics, SOIDCs, and (oof) SEAL 'medics' about who is the bestest (and well know it's never the SEAL 'medic').

@amlove21 , that was entertaining, thanks for sharing. Those guys are a hoot.
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All true - the fact is - an old school Big Army "91B30" that can keep his cool when there is chaos swirling around his aid bag can do as much to save a life in combat as a board certified ER Doc that works the Shock Trauma unit at Johns Hopkins.
...and there are 18D's out there that have six fingers on one hand and three thumbs on the other. (not me of course- because I am pretty awesome)

Suffice to say - what I took away from that AWESOME video that paid an AWESOME tribute to a group of PJ's that did an AWESOME job simply doing what they do was simple...

What matters most is that 38 minutes and 35 seconds into that video @amlove21 said "18D's are better than PJ's" and I love him for it !!! (no homo)
 
Box said:
All true - the fact is - an old school Big Army "91B30" that can keep his cool when there is chaos swirling around his aid bag can do as much to save a life in combat as a board certified ER Doc that works the Shock Trauma unit at Johns Hopkins.
...and there are 18D's out there that have six fingers on one hand and three thumbs on the other. (not me of course- because I am pretty awesome)

Suffice to say - what I took away from that AWESOME video that paid an AWESOME tribute to a group of PJ's that did an AWESOME job simply doing what they do was simple...

What matters most is that 38 minutes and 35 seconds into that video @amlove21 said "18D's are better than PJ's" and I love him for it !!! (no homo)
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100%
 
Devildoc said:
I had a meeting yesterday with some surgeons, EM docs, and one med student here at Duke who was a delta, and we all agreed that a) trauma ain't hard and SOCM makes it way harder than it has to be, and b) the best trauma guys are just the ones who do it the most. But I do enjoy the (good natured) pissing contest among the J's, deltas, ranger medics, SOIDCs, and (oof) SEAL 'medics' about who is the bestest (and well know it's never the SEAL 'medic').

@amlove21 , that was entertaining, thanks for sharing. Those guys are a hoot.
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SOCM is designed to take someone with zero training or knowledge and turn them into the finest trauma medic in the world. The thing with trauma is it is always different, and it is always unexpected. We teach the students the basics, with a script, that script is what they fall back on. I still fall back on it in complex cases. I had a case on Christmas Eve where my patient lost 8 liters of blood. 8 Liters is more than the blood volume of a human male. This patient went home due to the training I’ve received, and I don’t know that all my colleagues would have got him home. SOCM is tremendous training that I would argue is just hard enough.
 
TLDR20 said:
SOCM is designed to take someone with zero training or knowledge and turn them into the finest trauma medic in the world. The thing with trauma is it is always different, and it is always unexpected. We teach the students the basics, with a script, that script is what they fall back on. I still fall back on it in complex cases. I had a case on Christmas Eve where my patient lost 8 liters of blood. 8 Liters is more than the blood volume of a human male. This patient went home due to the training I’ve received, and I don’t know that all my colleagues would have got him home. SOCM is tremendous training that I would argue is just hard enough.
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SOCM has evolved, as all training and schools should. There were small 'tactical' level questions on what should be included in the syllabus and larger 'strategic' questions about what the desired outcome should be. All the nitpicking and philosophical questions aside, it is an extremely robust program that delivers the product it has been built to deliver.

I will say qualitatively SEAL medics are on the left side of the bell curve, and they (SOCOM) are trying to figure that out.
 
I have the best idea EVER for a podcast...

I am just going to walk out on camera - with my aging, pear shaped, has-been physique - my cynical lack of motivation - and my DD-214
Then I'm going to remind everyone how "the uninspiring pile of flab" standing before them did everything on that list...
...and that NONE of it is all that hard

-Not the ruck marching.
-Not the PT.
-Not the swimming.
-Not the running.
-Not the land nav.
-Not the shooting.
-Not the academics.
-I even went to school to "learn" how to wreck cars; which I knew how do to BEFORE going to that school.

Oddly, I had substantially LESS wrecks after going to a couple of car wrecking schools...
...so, I'm not sure if I should message that as a success or a failure.

That will be the premise of my Podcast...
"Hi everybody - I went to some cool schools and I have some neat badges - I haven't done much and it isn't all that hard"
...like, share, and subscribe
...go to my website and buy some merch'



The best that I can imagine is that ALL of my military schooling was done at a time when EVERYTHING was objectively easier than it was when everyone else went through those same programs. Basic, AIT, Airborne School...
...all, challenging
...just not "HARD"
...certainly not impossible
...definitely not worthy of adulation

But these vet bros - those guys - they are the real deal.
They've got the beards, the ink, the swagger, and most importantly...
...subscribers
 
TLDR20 said:
SOCM is designed to take someone with zero training or knowledge and turn them into the finest trauma medic in the world. The thing with trauma is it is always different, and it is always unexpected. We teach the students the basics, with a script, that script is what they fall back on. I still fall back on it in complex cases. I had a case on Christmas Eve where my patient lost 8 liters of blood. 8 Liters is more than the blood volume of a human male. This patient went home due to the training I’ve received, and I don’t know that all my colleagues would have got him home. SOCM is tremendous training that I would argue is just hard enough.
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F yeah homie. 8 liters is crazy. What kind of trauma?
 

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