Pre- Workout Shakes

If you're interested in actual unbiased info about a particular supplement, examine.com is an extremely good resource. They plot and summarize the results of single blind, double blind, and repeated double blind placebo studies (and link to them), and can help you decide if something is worth taking. It's very interesting to read about the newest crazes like "dear velvet antler."

http://examine.com/supplements/Velvet+Antler/
(spoiler: it doesn't do anything)
 
Let's see I was taking Muscle Farm Assault back in the spring, I liked it, wasn't crazy. I hadn't tried C4, and then we were in a course and the 1SG comes in one day and goes...anyone taking C4 stop. Said we'd pop for something called PS...I didn't take it so I really didn't pay mind to it. PS just stands for prohibited substance, they are definitely still selling it at the two GNCs on post here.

Right now I just take protein after a lift.
 
That thing about C4 has been squashed. You cannot pop for it. There are signs in every MCX on Pendleton on the shelves where they sell C4(and pretty much the entire base has it). About 2 months ago my 1st SGT said the same "don't take it" speech to the Company. 1 week later this sign appears in stores. But anyways, I don't support that line of product(Cellucor), if you read their reviews they aren't very good and they have the most expensive products. MP Assault has worked quite well with me, doesn't give me that "shit I'm never going to sleep" feeling.
 
I agree with joe24. I take assault and it seems to work well, and I don't feel like my heart is going to explode. Not to mention the pink lemonade is pretty tasty!
 
I just picked up Animal Rage yesterday. I'll start taking it next week and let everyone know what I think.
I was told good things about MP Assault, but I like the smaller serving sizes of Rage & 1MR. My favorite in the past has been Controlled Labs White Flood. Say what you will about the name, but CL makes excellent products.
 
I'm gonna try to follow whats written over at MA and have a whey protein shake 30 minutes before training, and a recovery shake with around 20 grams of protien and 40 grams of carbs, within 30 minutes of completing training.

My biggest problem is lack of sleep so I was looking at things to give me a jolt but don't wanna become dependent on something. I just started at a new CF gym and because I am new to it the owner wants me to attend the classes for my first month so I can work on my form then start my own program (he's aware what I'm training for). With my work schedule the only class that I can attend starts at 11:30 which is fine Monday and Tuesday but the rest of the week I work till 2:30 in the morning so it gets harder to make the class on just 5-6 hours sleep. I just gotta suck it up until I start doing my own thing and can go in a little later so I can get some solid sleep.
 
I never take any supplements before a CF style workout. More chance of them coming back up at an unexpected during the workout due to the high intensity nature of CF. I won't even mention the idiots who take Pre-WO stuff like C4 before a PRT. :rolleyes: I just stick with a bowl of oatmeal about 45-60 minutes before I start.
Also, I'm not going to refute Rob Shaul over at MA, but my post-WO shake is the bigger of my 2 shakes. I use 1 scoop of ON Pro Complex & 1 scoop of ON Gold Standard Casein (slow digestion). This adds up to: 54g protein/6g of carbs. I usually get both in vanilla and mix it with Gatorade for some extra carbs and to get the blood sugar spiked after my workout. Plus electrolytes, yadda yadda... I do this because I can't walk over to the galley and order 2 chicken breasts and a salad.
 
Thirty minutes seems extremely close for a pre-workout meal. Even 20 grams of straight whey takes an hour to digest. Some literature states the optimal meal timing for an endurance workout should be at least 1 hour before exercise, as blood sugar tends to be lower than normal right after a eating (due to insulin release) (Kenny, Wilmore, and Costill 2012). Why waste energy on digesting food when you can just eat earlier? You'll still have higher glycogen and amino acid levels if you wait.
 
A friend of mine who sells insurance by day and runs a gym by night...dude said he was bored as his wife works nights. He was a college football player and is certified by the NSCA says to ditch the pre-workout...what he does himself: "Personally I drink 8floz of grapejuice, 4floz of apple juice, mixed with 15g of of a high end protien with BCAA's before every workout. Flip the juice mixture and I have the same thing post workout." I haven't tried this as it would require me to buy juice...or make it, I also don't know what cookies and creme protein would taste like mixed with apple juice.
 
Freefalling said:
Personally, I think you should take every supplement you can swallow. All of them. All of the time. Empty stomach, full stomach, it doesn't matter. Chug, chug, chug!

Then when you're at MEPS or maybe Basic or if you make it as far as a SOF course and are near death or failing tests because of the crutch you came to depend upon, then you can reach down deep inside and find out what kind of man you are.

PT in the military is typically done on an empty stomach, so you might as well become accustomed to the feeling.
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My spidey senses of sarcasm are tingling. Weird.
I completely agree with you. For me, becoming too engrossed in supplements makes me a little nervous. Time after time the "I want it, and I want it now" schemes seem to blow up in your face in the long run. Sure a good protein filled shake benefits your muscles after a good work out but the over all focus of healthy things (exercise, diet, rest, etc...) should not become unbalanced. But then again maybe I'm just too green in this field to be taken too seriously.
On another note. The names of these supplements make me feel like I should be watching a Quentin Tarantino film while fighting a Kodiak grizzly to be worthy enough to take them. C4, Jack3d, Muscle Farm Assault. I wouldn't be surprised if there was one named Testicle Exploder.
 
I'm not a fan of pre-workout suppliments. For me, they seem to be the driving force for my workouts and not myself. I want to know what I can accomplish without a substance driving me. A glass of OJ and a peice of toast in the morning before a workout is my fuel of choice.
 
amorris127289 said:
The above is a screen shot, not my own words or opinions. They come from a guy who claims to be "natural." A cup of coffee is enough for me. I usually combine a scoop of protein with my coffee about 40 minutes before I begin training.
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That's all well and good, but what's your take on the product? Is it the tits, or something you wouldn't even flush a hooker's ass with? Looking for someone who's tried it yet? Give us some context here.

My take? If dude can make a buck in the free market, more power to him. It looks like shit to me, though.
 
racing_kitty said:
That's all well and good, but what's your take on the product? Is it the tits, or something you wouldn't even flush a hooker's ass with? Looking for someone who's tried it yet? Give us some context here.

My take? If dude can make a buck in the free market, more power to him. It looks like shit to me, though.
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As a little back ground on the guy who "came up" with the hyphy mud, this is is him. I do not believe this pre-workout concoction is not all he takes, if you know what I am hinting at.

My personal opinion on hyphy mud, is it is ridiculous. The first reason is because I do not drink sodas, so the Pepsi is a no go for me. Then the instant coffee, I agree with. I am sure regardless of the form in which you get the caffeine, roughly 38mg for a Pepsi, and 38mg for the instant coffee (times three because it says three servings) that is 152mg of caffeine, 152mg of caffeine should be ample to get you going for a workout or training session. However, you can buy those Stay Awake tablets from the gas station for around 3$ for 40 tablets at 100mg of caffeine a tablet. That is 40 caffeine pick me ups if you need them.

I was wondering about the other members thoughts on it as well as just sharing some info that was sent to me between classes.
 
I'm all about drinking water before working out and consuming a light protein shake over 45min prior, on heavy lifting days. Today, I talked my workout buddy into trying "Hyphy Mud" with me for the hell of it, and we ended up like..

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After, we both agreed, to never get cre-a-tive again; with pre-workout drinks.
 
Ronnoc said:
I'm all about drinking water before working out and consuming a light protein shake over 45min prior, on heavy lifting days. Today, I talked my workout buddy into trying "Hyphy Mud" with me for the hell of it, and we ended up like..

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After, we both agreed, to never get cre-a-tive again; with pre-workout drinks.
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I am about to try it with my training partner
 
Yup, caffeine works, no surprise there.

I enjoy a good pre-workout, a lot, but if I were training for military service again, I wouldn't use them, except for possibly creatine. Creatine store stay elevated in the body for some time, it takes about a month for them to slowly decline to normal levels,so you won't have an 'oh shit what happened' moment when you stop.
 

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