Raid on President Trump's Home

TLDR20 said:
Maybe let’s see what the warrant was for and what they found.

Does everyone think that the threat of an armed standoff was outside the realm of possibility? Not with Trump, I don’t think that is why this was done that way, but with his supporters? The kind of people who might storm the capitol?
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But not the kind of people who would burn poor neighborhoods cuz oppression something something during a global pandemic that magically was contagious pending group’s political leanings:

BLM & Antifa - immune from COVID
Anything conservative - superspreader events

BLM riots in summer of ‘20 killed 20-25
J6 riots killed one
 
Brill said:
Demonstrably false: none of the cases were tried in 2020 but dismissed on procedural grounds. The cases that went forward, had a majority seeing that State’s laws were in fact violated (mostly court rulings for COVID waivers were illegal).

AZ, WI, GA, & PA were all adjudicated only RECENTLY.
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I used audit thinking about recounts, which IIRC had occurred in the majority of disputed states prior to the 6th.

You're right that the (substantiated) legal challenges hadn't occurred yet.
 
Brill said:
Demonstrably false: none of the cases were tried in 2020 but dismissed on procedural grounds. The cases that went forward, had a majority seeing that State’s laws were in fact violated (mostly court rulings for COVID waivers were illegal).

AZ, WI, GA, & PA were all adjudicated only RECENTLY.
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“You miss 100% of the shots you don’t take”
-Wayne Gretzky



-Michael Scott
 
So the White House is claiming Biden wasn't aware the raid was happening.
I get that Joe is basically a walking corpse at this point, but you think they'd at least pretend he remembered about it.

Jokes aside, this won't make anyone think this is somehow less of a political thing. I see two likely scenarios, and neither of them are good.

Scenario 1. The White House legit didn't know the FBI was going to raid Trump. It'd be likely Director Wray didn't tell the WH so that it wasn't seen as a political action, but this isn't a normal situation.
Republicans(rightly) see this as another example of FBI/Intel agencies acting without oversight.

Scenario 2. White House is lying, and trying to use the fact that the FBI Director is a lifelong Republican/Federalist Society member as a shield. Biden knew but is trying to make it seem apolitical. Again, this blows up when it (inevitably) gets leaked in hours/days.
 
Brill said:
But not the kind of people who would burn poor neighborhoods cuz oppression something something during a global pandemic that magically was contagious pending group’s political leanings:

BLM & Antifa - immune from COVID
Anything conservative - superspreader events

BLM riots in summer of ‘20 killed 20-25
J6 riots killed one
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What does that have to do with what I said?

What is the essence of force protection? Be prepared right?
 
Cookie_ said:
Fully agree with this. A lot of people are disregarding the Jan 6th committee hearings as political theater (which is fair to an extent), but the one agreed upon fact is that we had a lame duck President who was attempting to prevent a lawful election from taking place, through knowingly dubious legal maneuvering and unverified/knowingly false fraud information.
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"Agreed upon" by whom? Given the information available at the time, the emotions, and the rampant fraud and disinformation going around during the election, the possibility of widespread election fraud seemed entirely plausible. Also, if the president was a lame duck, how was he going to prevent a lawful election from taking place? The election was already over. And finally, if we're all in agreement on this, why the hearings?

After you have a chance to respond to the above (if you choose to do so) I'd like to shift the focus back to the FBI raid.
 
Topkick said:
Whataboutism
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"This guy supported Obama"

"Yea, and the FBI Director is a Republican appointed by Trump"

So we agree that their personal politics shouldn't be the focus?

Cool.

Marauder06 said:
"Agreed upon" by whom? Given the information available at the time, the emotions, and the rampant fraud and disinformation going around during the election, the possibility of widespread election fraud seemed entirely plausible. Also, if the president was a lame duck, how was he going to prevent a lawful election from taking place? The election was already over. And finally, if we're all in agreement on this, why the hearings?

After you have a chance to respond to the above (if you choose to do so) I'd like to shift the focus back to the FBI raid.
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I linked it earlier in the page, so you may not have seen it.

I was specifically talking about the Eastman Memos, which came to official public knowledge during the hearings.

It was an attempt to argue VP Pence had legal authority to throw out slates of electors in contested states, thereby declaring President Trump elected.

It was a knowingly dubious legal argument that those involved said likely wouldn't past muster at the supreme court, but they were confident challenges wouldn't make it that far.

I understand most people on this board are opposite the political spectrum from me, but it's crazy how few people seem to care that those employed by the former president were drawing up legal arguments to conduct a coup d'teat.

That's why I bring it up in regards to the FBI raid. It makes more sense to be something involved regarding that then mishandled documents
 
Cookie_ said:
"This guy supported Obama"

"Yea, and the FBI Director is a Republican appointed by Trump"

So we agree that their personal politics shouldn't be the focus?

Cool.



I linked it earlier in the page, so you may not have seen it.

I was specifically talking about the Eastman Memos, which came to official public knowledge during the hearings.

It was an attempt to argue VP Pence had legal authority to throw out slates of electors in contested states, thereby declaring President Trump elected.

It was a knowingly dubious legal argument that those involved said likely wouldn't past muster at the supreme court, but they were confident challenges wouldn't make it that far.

I understand most people on this board are opposite the political spectrum from me, but it's crazy how few people seem to care that those employed by the former president were drawing up legal arguments to conduct a coup d'teat.

That's why I bring it up in regards to the FBI raid. It makes more sense to be something involved regarding that then mishandled documents
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I think there was a lot of shadiness on both sides during the election and maybe this raid is gonna reveal more of the Trump side. What I think is most likely to be is this just theater for the midterms.
 
Cookie_ said:
"This guy supported Obama"

"Yea, and the FBI Director is a Republican appointed by Trump"

So we agree that their personal politics shouldn't be the focus?

Cool.



I linked it earlier in the page, so you may not have seen it.

I was specifically talking about the Eastman Memos, which came to official public knowledge during the hearings.

It was an attempt to argue VP Pence had legal authority to throw out slates of electors in contested states, thereby declaring President Trump elected.

It was a knowingly dubious legal argument that those involved said likely wouldn't past muster at the supreme court, but they were confident challenges wouldn't make it that far.

I understand most people on this board are opposite the political spectrum from me, but it's crazy how few people seem to care that those employed by the former president were drawing up legal arguments to conduct a coup d'teat.

That's why I bring it up in regards to the FBI raid. It makes more sense to be something involved regarding that then mishandled documents
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I'm not defending any actions but if we're playing these games, lets put some context on the table. The Democrat's, literally spent Trumps entire presidency trying to prove the Russians helped him get elected in an illegitimate election. Because their chosen idiot, Hillary, had bullshit intelligence made up to to start it all before the election.

It doesn't matter what side, your politics are fucked and it has spread around the world.
 
TLDR20 said:
What does that have to do with what I said?

What is the essence of force protection? Be prepared right?
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My point was YOU loved you some Steele dossier shit (forget about the Alfa bank bullshit that you SWORE was legit & I said…repeatedly with sourced material…that it, the ENTIRE Trump/Russia shit was garbage while you drank nightly from the Racheal Maddox cup of “knowledge“.

Now you’re team “let’s see what the warrant says & findings of the FBI”???? Where is “the walls are closing in!!!!”

Democrats, progressives, libs, socialists, whatever your side is called today based on feels started this entire shit of weaponizing the DOJ & IC to neuter your political rivals. Embrace it.
 
Brill said:
My point was YOU loved you some Steele dossier shit (forget about the Alfa bank bullshit that you SWORE was legit & I said…repeatedly with sourced material…that it, the ENTIRE Trump/Russia shit was garbage while you drank nightly from the Racheal Maddox cup of “knowledge“.

Now you’re team “let’s see what the warrant says & findings of the FBI”???? Where is “the walls are closing in!!!!”

Democrats, progressives, libs, socialists, whatever your side is called today based on feels started this entire shit of weaponizing the DOJ & IC to neuter your political rivals. Embrace it.
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I’ve never watched Rachel Maddow in my life but cool.

Sometimes peoples views on matters change as evidence is presented. Maybe after 6ish years my views have shifted somewhat.

I don’t know what Alfa bank is, I’ve never even heard of that.

You literally do not know me. I haven’t posted on this site since 2017, until 4 months ago.

I’ll go back through my posts and try and find what you are talking about. I’m willing to take an L if I “SWORE” anything was true.
 

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