policemedic
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Sharia Law Coming To Libya
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The Arab Spring was spontaneous and not the work of anything more than frustration. With the space available it's not possible to give a complete précis historically country by country. Suffice to say that the Arab world was ruled by the Ottoman Empire from 1516 to 1830 when the imperial powers took over, 1830 to 1948. This comprised England, France, Italy and to ainor degree Spain. The US has been more of an observer with little presence compared to the European countries. So it's plain to see that for over 400 years they have been ruled by others. Nationalism & religion has waxed and waned over this time and these influences have shaped the path to see the way clear of this.
My first impression of the uprising was rhat nothing much will change and to a certain extent this is true with limited reforms in most of the countries where demonstrations occurred. Lybia looks to be different with genuine change taking place. They are ridding themselves of a despot and deserve to be encouraged to get on their feet to create something better.
My first impression of the uprising was rhat nothing much will change and to a certain extent this is true with limited reforms in most of the countries where demonstrations occurred. Lybia looks to be different with genuine change taking place. They are ridding themselves of a despot and deserve to be encouraged to get on their feet to create something better.
QC as you know I am trying to learn but this is a tough place to understand. I thought spontaneous uprisings were all funded and lead by guys wearing Hawaian shirts and khaki pants with big bank accounts in the local economy. Has it changed? Our Guys and Girls out of Langley started every spontanious uprising while funding them and my Dad always said if you lay with Dogs you get Fleas and that is where we are at right now in my opinion. Any help in understanding would be appreciated from all.
Bill
Bill
Thanks, QC.
I see things from a radically different perspective, and I put far less stock into the historical connection than you do. Of course history is a factor in how these nations arrived at their current states, but there are some very specific, very clear factors to these events that absolutely do not fit with any "spontaneous" eruption of demands for liberation.
I'll cite some specific examples when I have time. And again, the only reason it matters to me is because I'm not convinced "Hawaiian shirts" have much to do with it all. To me, it appears contrived, forced and cultivated in part, by NGO's, privately wealthy individuals, and a few people who are very experienced in this sort of thing. The people I'm thinking of like to find boils in the world, and then they come along and lance them when the time is right.
I see things from a radically different perspective, and I put far less stock into the historical connection than you do. Of course history is a factor in how these nations arrived at their current states, but there are some very specific, very clear factors to these events that absolutely do not fit with any "spontaneous" eruption of demands for liberation.
I'll cite some specific examples when I have time. And again, the only reason it matters to me is because I'm not convinced "Hawaiian shirts" have much to do with it all. To me, it appears contrived, forced and cultivated in part, by NGO's, privately wealthy individuals, and a few people who are very experienced in this sort of thing. The people I'm thinking of like to find boils in the world, and then they come along and lance them when the time is right.
Cheers guys, just to stay on topic, a young Tunisian named Mohammed Bouazizi started the whole thing. He was, I believe, selling oranges without a permit. The cops gave him a hard time and he was at the end of his tether, so much so that he doused himself with gasoline and set fire to himself. This is what started it and within days President Zine el Abadine bin Ali had fled the country. The uprising spread to Egypt and then elsewhere.
Scotth
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We never had better middle east relations then after Desert Storm when we went in and freed Kuwait and then left the situation for the most part just as quickly. Why shouldn't we expected a similar reaction from what went on in Libya?
Like QC already stated the whole uprising has been a reputation of what Osama an AQ has been preaching.
For a very small price we have gotten rid of a man and regime that actively attacked and killed American civilians and military members.
Even worse case scenario and Libyan's decide to attack us some where down the road. It is no worse then what we had with the old regime.
It's not like Egypt where our relationship with the leadership was great but he treated his people like shit. We had horrible relations with Libya and he treated his people like shit. We aren't losing anything getting rid of Momar.
Like QC already stated the whole uprising has been a reputation of what Osama an AQ has been preaching.
For a very small price we have gotten rid of a man and regime that actively attacked and killed American civilians and military members.
Even worse case scenario and Libyan's decide to attack us some where down the road. It is no worse then what we had with the old regime.
It's not like Egypt where our relationship with the leadership was great but he treated his people like shit. We had horrible relations with Libya and he treated his people like shit. We aren't losing anything getting rid of Momar.
A little blast from the past...
Remember when those of us who predicted that the Arab Spring would result in Islamic Radicals co-opting the movement were labeled "fearmongers"?
As I read this thread from 2011, I'm reminded of the way labeling, or "branding" was used to silence opposition to this ludicrous endeavor. Branding was used with great success repeatedly by Progressive Liberals during this time.
Remember when those of us who predicted that the Arab Spring would result in Islamic Radicals co-opting the movement were labeled "fearmongers"?
As I read this thread from 2011, I'm reminded of the way labeling, or "branding" was used to silence opposition to this ludicrous endeavor. Branding was used with great success repeatedly by Progressive Liberals during this time.
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