Soldier disrespecting the fallen via Instagram.

SOWT said:
Does the Guard need to be eady at a moments notice?

Using them as Strategic Reserve means having 90 days to do a work up.

Guard guys/gals also need to aknowldge that their leadership failed them when OIF/OEF were in full effect.
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You make a valid point, but I don't think the Aug. 2001 Guard was even "90 days out" to be honest. Some units maybe, but some weren't. Hell, there were AD units unprepared for Iraq and they had a bit of lead time to prepare.

Guard SF for example: The SIGDET's for both Groups operated museums...our equipment was 2-3 generations behind AD. Guys in my old unit told me point blank that it took a deployment under 3rd Group as a meat market, an MTOE change, and a massive infusion of equipment and training opportunities to be ready for Iraq in 2005. That was the SIGDET, but it makes me wonder how ready the rest of the BN was....and I don't think the ODA's were ready. The SOT-A's never saw their equipment and could barely field one completely trained SOT-A.

I don't think the majority of the Guard was a 90-day trainup from much of anything. Some units acquitted themselves well, some didn't. I know of at least two BNs in FL that deployed ONCE and that was...08-09.

The Guard doesn't need to be ready to invade a country, but the state of many Army Guard units in Aug. 2001 was bad. MOSQ was low, we couldn't obtain schools for reclassifying soldiers, some units qualified on a 25m range with those pseudo targets, equipment was old if we had equipment...3/20's HMMWV's were hand-me-downs from AD. One was rebuilt after cratering in with the 82nd and then sent to us. This is just money, none of this addresses some of the chronic leadership issues at the unit level.
 
I was part of the first call ups for guard in OIF. We had a 6 month train up with a 30 day JRTC rotation. Back then, the guard was a soup sandwich.

Fast forward from 2003 to 2008, train up was 52 days and about a 100 times better.

Its all about the train up structure and the trainers doing the training. Although there will always be room for improvement in anything, I think First Army had it down to a T.
 
Freefalling said:
The SOT-A's never saw their equipment and could barely field one completely trained SOT-A.
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Uh, are you talking history or current events cuz nothing's changed since 2009. We "had" to mob 3 guys just to get funds for MOSQ.

Imagine the first time seeing or ever using a M-4 overseas in a combat zone: that is our current state with our mission specific gear (substitute M-4 for whiz bang junk).
 
And the hits just keep on coming...

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The female is a quartermaster here at Fort Carson. Apparently her command has been notified...
 
Freefalling said:
If the Guard returns to 90's spending levels then you can't blame the Guard when it returns to 90's readiness....and the Guard was not ready for a war when 9/11 hit. Not even close.
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I was told stories of units going to the field taking kegs of beer with them. They did no training at all just drank.

Go 90's! lol

SOWT said:
Does the Guard need to be eady at a moments notice?

Using them as Strategic Reserve means having 90 days to do a work up.

Guard guys/gals also need to aknowldge that their leadership failed them when OIF/OEF were in full effect.
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No to going to war, yes for civil emergencies.

JAB said:
I was part of the first call ups for guard in OIF. We had a 6 month train up with a 30 day JRTC rotation. Back then, the guard was a soup sandwich.

Fast forward from 2003 to 2008, train up was 52 days and about a 100 times better.

Its all about the train up structure and the trainers doing the training. Although there will always be room for improvement in anything, I think First Army had it down to a T.
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My experience with First Army (Mississippi, 2012) was that they were a bunch of useless cunts. Pre mob was a complete and utter waste of time training wise.
 
pardus said:
Wrong, we need to expose these fucks in order for them to be corrected, otherwise this rot will spread at an exponential rate.
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Except for specialized MOS's I've dealt with, the overall disrespect and narcissism is like a cancer that has metastatised. It's pervasive. Sadly, with the squall line that is the draw down fast approaching, those shit birds will most likely be the ones that successfully ride it out and make senior rank.
 
racing_kitty said:
Except for specialized MOS's I've dealt with, the overall disrespect and narcissism is like a cancer that has metastatised. It's pervasive. Sadly, with the squall line that is the draw down fast approaching, those shit birds will most likely be the ones that successfully ride it out and make senior rank.
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Yep, I'm in my re-enlistment window now and I gotta say I'm struggling with the idea of staying in. When I first enlisted ('89) we were in a desperate state financially, 30 blank rounds for a 2-3 day FTX, FTX's cancelled because we couldn't afford the diesel to drive to the training area etc... At least things were getting better, I don't want to end things on the downslide. I want to stay in, but I hate where we're headed.
But, I'd commit hari fucking kari if we went to war in the next 10 years and I wasn't in on it... :-/
 
pardus said:
Wrong, we need to expose these fucks in order for them to be corrected, otherwise this rot will spread at an exponential rate.
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Corrected is an understatement. Booted out of the service. I just finished reading When Pride Still Mattered and Vince Lombardi talked about the breakdown of discipline in society. This breakdown of discipline in the military is a cancer. Posting everything and everyone on FB or online, fucking around and fucking off. Gangs in the military, drugs, etc.

Fucking prison and Dishonorable Discharges for them all. Getting DHed out of the service should be a black mark on your record and mean something (yeah yeah I know Walt Disney got kicked out). Your future employer should see it as easy as a criminal record "Oh you got kicked out for posting that online? We're not going to hire you".

:mad::mad::mad::mad:
 
SkrewzLoose said:
We don't need to be giving these fuck faces anymore air time than they already have.
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This is part of the problem though, brother. People figure their command will just cover it up. The result of that is all the other shitheads realize they can get away with it too. It's a failure of leadership to come into cases like this with the mindset of, "Handle it at the lowest level possible.". That shit doesn't work with people like that QM, the Security Forces Airman, or the Honor Guard fucks. They need to be made examples so all their little buddies know what happens when you disrespect your oath and the uniform. You should be proud to wear the uniform each and every day and should be going out of your way to honorably represent it, the flag, and those who came before us. These disrespectful pieces of shit have no place in the military and don't deserve the honorable reputation that comes with the uniform. That reputation was, and continues to be, earned by men and women far better than they will ever be. They should be exposed, punished harshly, and unceremoniously dumped outside the nearest main gate. Fuck 'em.
 
If there is a silver lining in any of this, once these POS's are kicked out/leave, most human resources groups in the private sector routinely check social media sites of prospective employees. Once it is on the Internet, it is there forever. Karma can be a bitch, which is a good thing sometimes.
 
pardus said:
My experience with First Army (Mississippi, 2012) was that they were a bunch of useless cunts. Pre mob was a complete and utter waste of time training wise.
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Not sure what may have changed, but I can tell you I personally know and worked with a lot of the First Army trainers out of Camp Shelby, and would strongly disagree that they are cunts or that the training they provide is useless. A majority of them have 3+ deployments and know a thing or two.

But I guess us cunts (yeah I was a First Army instructor) don't have the knowledge or experience of someone like yourself. :rolleyes:
 
I had a similar issue with First Army in Wisconsin, 2008 - we trained the trainers in CQB and a couple of other tasks... and since they had too many units there, they sent us through backwards (run, walk, crawl). At first they apologized, then they were telling us we didn't even need to spend the two months there to check all the blocks that were required.

But just like most training, you have good instructors and not so good instructors where ever you go. The IED guys knew their stuff for sure!
 
JAB said:
Not sure what may have changed, but I can tell you I personally know and worked with a lot of the First Army trainers out of Camp Shelby, and would strongly disagree that they are cunts or that the training they provide is useless. A majority of them have 3+ deployments and know a thing or two.

But I guess us cunts (yeah I was a First Army instructor) don't have the knowledge or experience of someone like yourself. :rolleyes:
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It wasn't a personal attack, chill out, unless you want to guarantee everyone there was top notch.
 

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