Terrorist attack ongoing in France (14th July, Bastille Day)

I see and hear too many "all Muslims" comments. There are factions of Radical Islamic Fundlementists who are evil incarnate, willing to torture, kill and terrorize, all in the name of their religion. But...same could be said for certain Christian factions, and I say that as a practicing Christian.

One of my very best friends is from Bangladesh and a practicing Muslim. He loves this country with all his heart and knows and understands our history far better than most of those calling for him and his family to leave "their country". These attacks in the name of his religion hurt him immensely.

Dangerous path when we let ourself generalize with the word "all".
 
I feel sorry for the small number of truly progressive Muslims, I really do. Not to be confused with the mainstream 'moderates' who still have regressive views and who often act as apologists for their more extreme brothers. But it's not like we can truly identify who's 'progressive' or not. So I'd rather a country with no Muslims at all, if that's what it took to save hundreds or thousands of fellow citizens from being killed or sexually assaulted. I'm sorry, but Ahmed next door who seems kind of nice is not worth all the other shit his religion comes with. He may not represent those things, but then again people didn't think that about the guy who just mowed down 80 people either... until he did.

I'm not going to take a chance on a religion just because I might feel guilty about discriminating against it otherwise. I'd be more than happy to discriminate against Islam, if it meant the streets of Europe didn't end up looking like Raqqa every couple of months. We are a superior civilisation... only so long as we still exist.
 
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Rapid said:
It doesn't have much to do with Intel. That being said, they are stretched thin after that German cunt Merkel told half the Middle East they were welcome to take refuge in Europe. This guy wasn't even known to any agencies (just a criminal record, no signs of extremism).

What it has to do with is Islam. It shows that even the quiet people, who no one expects to be extremists, are still a risk.

We'll need a few thousand more deaths before more people will start to realise that Islam just isn't compatible with the Western world.

Not if you want a peaceful country anyway. But I'm starting to think our politicians don't really give a shit and just see these attacks as occasional inconveniences. It's not like Obama/Merkel or their family and friends will ever be affected by the delights of multiculturalism. So why would they care about the peasants?
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Bold face stuff.

That was our view until 9-1-1.

I really think it will take a WMD to get the politicians off their asses.
 
If the religion disappeared tomorrow, my concern would be "can I draw unemployment."

Sure, not everyone's a bad guy, but how many are complicit through knowledge or deed? How many complain about the broad brush but do nothing to help their cause? Push comes to shove, how many will choose peace over their religion (this could be said for probably all religions)?

Look at our urban areas in the US and the mostly intra-ethnic violence. veryone wants it to end, but no one's a snitch or they "ain't working with no po-lice." Or the Mafia in Italian communities (or any organized crime entity in their own ethnics/ religious enclaves).

You can't have it both ways. You can't be innocent and not participate in the solution.
 
Freefalling said:
If the religion disappeared tomorrow, my concern would be "can I draw unemployment."

Sure, not everyone's a bad guy, but how many are complicit through knowledge or deed? How many complain about the broad brush but do nothing to help their cause? Push comes to shove, how many will choose peace over their religion (this could be said for probably all religions)?

Look at our urban areas in the US and the mostly intra-ethnic violence. veryone wants it to end, but no one's a snitch or they "ain't working with no po-lice." Or the Mafia in Italian communities (or any organized crime entity in their own ethnics/ religious enclaves).

You can't have it both ways. You can't be innocent and not participate in the solution.
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I agree. The would be martyr, fundamentalist, jihad types are currently the highest profile "face" of Islam, like it or not.

And to all the moderate Muslims out there, a great many of those jihadis see your watered down practice as religious backsliding. Do we recall what the Koran says about apostates?

I'm still looking into what those progressive/ moderates are doing to clean their own wildly dysfunctional house and haven't found much yet.
 
What you see below is a perfect example of "moderate" Islam -- waaa, we're the real victims! [insert excuse or conspiracy theory here]

Moderate Islam and its apologism can go fuck itself.

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Hero man saved dozens in Nice by jumping into lorry cab to wrestle terrorist

A man slowed the murderous rampage of a man driving a truck through a crowd in Nice by jumping into the cab and seizing his revolver.

The attacker, 31-year-old Mohamed Lahouaiej Bouhlel, was slowed when a heroic member of the public leapt onto the vehicle and wrestled the driver.

Police sources in Nice confirmed that the murderous two kilometre charge of the lorry might have been even longer if it had not been for the courage of a member of the public.
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Good on the guy for stepping in the heat of the moment
 
One thing I've noticed in some, but not all, of the video is people running in a straight line, Rickon style. Sure, some may not have known what was going on, but it reminded me to try and keep your head. What if he was herding them to a secondary attack/ kill zone?

Break the chain, break the cycle. The attacker could be pushing you in a direction for a reason.
 
Freefalling said:
@R.Caerbannog
If you're going to disagree you need to cough up why you're disagreeing. It's poor form otherwise.
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I apologize. I figure the easiest way to kill a idea, is to wipe out the identity of the party at fault. After the attackers pass, treat them like the garbage they are. Burn their bodies, grind their bones into dust, and remove any humanizing traits. Eventually they will get the message that there is no paradise for them. That in death they are not safe, that their actions will be be as forgettable as the dust and ash they have become.

 
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He must not like Sophocles
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I dunno. I ain't cultured or well read enough to decide what to think of Sophocles.:p I just don't agree with taking what ancient geniuses said as scripture, or whatever. We can use historic practices and modernize them to solve existing problems, hence the grinding of bones and ash.
 
R.Caerbannog said:
I apologize. I figure the easiest way to kill a idea, is to wipe out the identity of the party at fault. After the attackers pass, treat them like the garbage they are. Burn their bodies, grind their bones into dust, and remove any humanizing traits. Eventually they will get the message that there is no paradise for them. That in death they are not safe, that their actions will be be as forgettable as the dust and ash they have become.
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That's a great concept and viable in an ideal world, but utterly impossible.
 
Freefalling said:
That's a great concept and viable in an ideal world, but utterly impossible.
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I disagree, when someone commits to an act of terrorism, human rights should go out the window. No next of kin notification, no nothing. As for religious officials demanding last rites and ceremonies, if they want to keep claiming non affiliation they'd best keep their mouths shut. Unless they want to jump in the same boat as the refuse.

Just treat it as waste disposal and it's good. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
R.Caerbannog said:
I disagree, when someone commits to an act of terrorism, human rights should go out the window. No next of kin notification, no nothing. As for religious officials demanding last rites and ceremonies, if they want to keep claiming non affiliation they'd best keep their mouths shut. Unless they want to jump in the same boat as the refuse.

Just treat it as waste disposal and it's good. Nothing more, nothing less.
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You're missing the point. We can all nod and say "yes" but it will never happen in this day and age.
 
R.Caerbannog said:
I disagree, when someone commits to an act of terrorism, human rights should go out the window. No next of kin notification, no nothing. As for religious officials demanding last rites and ceremonies, if they want to keep claiming non affiliation they'd best keep their mouths shut. Unless they want to jump in the same boat as the refuse.

Just treat it as waste disposal and it's good. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Meh, I was typing a long "something", but @pardus broke it down to the LCD. Could not agree more.
 
R.Caerbannog said:
The way I see it. Once there is enough outrage, it's possible to bring something like this into play. The pendulum swings in both directions.
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Maybe a decade ago...but social media will not permit that to happen. We all have our "what should happen" fantasies, but when you really think about what will/can actually happen...you know better.
 
Ooh-Rah said:
Maybe a decade ago...but social media will not permit that to happen. We all have our "what should happen" fantasies, but when you really think about what will/can actually happen...you know better.
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A decade ago? When has it ever worked? It is bloody impossible to kill an idea. The rise of Christianity, the Church and the Cathars, Islam v. various internal and external sects...some record will survive and some believer will remain or discover the old idea and convert.

If y'all want to keep arguing, go right ahead, but you cannot kill an idea without wiping every trace of its memory from the earth. Every person, every record.
 
Ooh-Rah said:
I see and hear too many "all Muslims" comments. There are factions of Radical Islamic Fundlementists who are evil incarnate, willing to torture, kill and terrorize, all in the name of their religion. But...same could be said for certain Christian factions, and I say that as a practicing Christian.

One of my very best friends is from Bangladesh and a practicing Muslim. He loves this country with all his heart and knows and understands our history far better than most of those calling for him and his family to leave "their country". These attacks in the name of his religion hurt him immensely.

Dangerous path when we let ourself generalize with the word "all".
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And Bangladesh is a major concern for a growing radicalization problem right now.. so I'm glad you found one. I've found a few bad Muslims that I like too. Quiet majority is bullshit if they are quiet.
 
Ooh-Rah said:
I see and hear too many "all Muslims" comments. There are factions of Radical Islamic Fundlementists who are evil incarnate, willing to torture, kill and terrorize, all in the name of their religion. But...same could be said for certain Christian factions, and I say that as a practicing Christian.
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Oh bullshit. There is not one Christian teaching that teaches violence over love.

Muslims do what they do because their actions are legitimized by Qur'anic verses.
 

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