The Afghanistan and Pakistan Thread

From the article: "The U.S. seeks to avoid sending funds directly to the Taliban by setting up a Swiss trust fund that would hold control the funds and distribute them for humanitarian needs."

I have some very conflicting thoughts on the country, but I'll spare everyone that rant.

I'd release the money. I don't know that I like the above solution, maybe release a few hundred million as a "proof of concept" using the model above? Anyway, instead I'd give it directly to aid organizations. "How much will it take to keep people alive through the winter? How much will it take to run x number of hospitals?" and so on, then cut them a check. Essentially I'd contract with organizations like Doctors Without Borders or...whoever to keep the people alive for a few months until those terrorist fucks in the gov't figure out to run that toilet of a country.

I wouldn't give one penny to the government. I'd release it to aid organizations with some strict conditions, especially if the TB started extorting those agencies or charging them "visa fees" or whatever to operate. Afghanistan would eventually see that money return to the country, but not one penny would go to the government.
 
AWP said:
From the article: "The U.S. seeks to avoid sending funds directly to the Taliban by setting up a Swiss trust fund that would hold control the funds and distribute them for humanitarian needs."

I have some very conflicting thoughts on the country, but I'll spare everyone that rant.

I'd release the money. I don't know that I like the above solution, maybe release a few hundred million as a "proof of concept" using the model above? Anyway, instead I'd give it directly to aid organizations. "How much will it take to keep people alive through the winter? How much will it take to run x number of hospitals?" and so on, then cut them a check. Essentially I'd contract with organizations like Doctors Without Borders or...whoever to keep the people alive for a few months until those terrorist fucks in the gov't figure out to run that toilet of a country.

I wouldn't give one penny to the government. I'd release it to aid organizations with some strict conditions, especially if the TB started extorting those agencies or charging them "visa fees" or whatever to operate. Afghanistan would eventually see that money return to the country, but not one penny would go to the government.
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Y'all remember Oil for Food right? Yeah that's exactly what this sounds like and the Terries will get rich. We should realise that money as revenue.
 
I wouldn't give any money to the Taliban. You wanted control so badly? You've got it. And everything that goes with it. If the people don't like it, hey, we left billons of dollars of top shelf US weapons lying around. Pick one up and get to work.

I don't see any indication that the Taliban are doing anything in our national interests. The poppies are blooming, they're letting AQ back in, and they are cracking down on human rights. None of that redounds to our benefit.

If I did give the Taliban any money, it would come dollar for dollar out of the aid we provide Pakistan, because that country is the (or at least the biggest) reason the Taliban are back in power in Afghanistan in the first place.
 
Gunz said:
Is this like giving humanitarian aid to Somalia so the warlords could have lots to eat?
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Exactly. Famine situations oftentimes aren't so much about food shortage as it is about distribution. Irish potato famine... Somalia... many examples. The world the US will throw money at this problem, it will go into the pockets of the warlords and the Taliban (which often, but not always, are the same thing), and they will laugh at us while they continue to actively plan for our downfall.
 
Marauder06 said:
Exactly. Famine situations oftentimes aren't so much about food shortage as it is about distribution. Irish potato famine... Somalia... many examples. The world the US will throw money at this problem, it will go into the pockets of the warlords and the Taliban (which often, but not always, are the same thing), and they will laugh at us while they continue to actively plan for our downfall.
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Which is why I'd give it to aid groups. With that said, I'd also have a set of balls to pull funding the second the TB interfered with distribution...which will probably happen as we know.

Realistically? Give a hundred million, 50 million, some "small" sum to the group in Geneva and see what happens. When it does, make an announcement telling the world why we pulled the funds.

Of course, we're A) Americans and care about optics, which makes us weak and B) Our administration's foreign policy is as coherent as Gary Busey on acid.
 
AWP said:
Which is why I'd give it to aid groups. With that said, I'd also have a set of balls to pull funding the second the TB interfered with distribution...which will probably happen as we know.

Realistically? Give a hundred million, 50 million, some "small" sum to the group in Geneva and see what happens. When it does, make an announcement telling the world why we pulled the funds.

Of course, we're A) Americans and care about optics, which makes us weak and B) Our administration's foreign policy is as coherent as Gary Busey on acid.
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The aid groups are often part of the problem, as much of the money they receive just gets extorted out of them. It's just a less-efficient way of giving it to the Taliban.

We propped that country up for 20 years and they still can't get their internal lines straight. :(

I've got an idea, maybe we can do a "grain for guns" deal. We can give them a sack of grain and a goat for say... a case of gently-used M4s. A cow for a Blackhawk helo. A bushel of corn for a Bradley. That will solve two problems for us at the same time! ;)
 
Cookie_ said:
I'm surprised this hasn't been posted here yet.

Biden calls Pakistan "most dangerous nation".

He's talking about it in regards to their nuclear arsenal, but still. Maybe Brandon will finally shift U.S. policy to "Fuck Pakistan", which it should have been since about 2002.
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I remember reading an article years ago now that basically stated that the US has been watching Pakistan’s deployments/movements of the nuclear weapons in the event of terrorists gaining control of them and the like, it annoyed the Pakistani government so much that they stopped using secure convoys to transport nuclear weapons and instead were putting them into a bread delivery van etc. with two people to guard the weapons, so yeah I’d say we’re pretty justified in calling Pakistan a dangerous state. Not to mention a bunch of cunts.
 
pardus said:
I remember reading an article years ago now that basically stated that the US has been watching Pakistan’s deployments/movements of the nuclear weapons in the event of terrorists gaining control of them and the like, it annoyed the Pakistani government so much that they stopped using secure convoys to transport nuclear weapons and instead were putting them into a bread delivery van etc. with two people to guard the weapons, so yeah I’d say we’re pretty justified in calling Pakistan a dangerous state. Not to mention a bunch of cunts.
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I think that's the plot to a Mitch Rapp novel...

Edited to add, Order to Kill. Part of the book is about how Pakistan moves nukes around the country to keep them out of hands of various factions.
 
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AWP said:
Mitch Rapp sounds like a second rate 80’s porn star.

PK’s movement of nukes was published years ago. The story is so bizarre those idiots just might have nukes bouncing around in a MadEx (Madrasa Express) delivery van.
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Yeah, it does. But those pop novels have been keeping me occupied during my chemo cycles. I appreciate how art imitates life with that plot, tho.
 
Cookie_ said:
I'm surprised this hasn't been posted here yet.

Biden calls Pakistan "most dangerous nation".

He's talking about it in regards to their nuclear arsenal, but still. Maybe Brandon will finally shift U.S. policy to "Fuck Pakistan", which it should have been since about 2002.
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Your post was the first that I heard about that news. thanks for posting that.

I agree with the President that Pakistan is one of the world's most dangerous nations. I'm not sure I would have said it in public, though.
 
AWP said:
I'm not a fan of genocide, but hindsight being what it is, I'd have asked Churchill to leave all of the UK's chemical and biological stockpiles in New Dehli back in '47...
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It's a dead heat between Muhammed Ali Jinnah & Muhammed Zia-al-Haq, both vying for Pakistani Cunt of the Century, Abdul Qadeer Khan close behind in third place.
 

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