The Marijuana Debate

lindy said:
Right, was referring to your comment how it helps with PTSD. To be honest, I'm not sure if a valid prescription would even fly (read the policy but don't recall any exemptions).
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Yeah the vast majority of veterans are no longer in the federal service though. So, it is good for the rest of veterans.
 
Scotth said:
Is pot any worse then booze or cigs? Probably not, I can't say I've ever heard of a head on collision being caused by someone hitting the bong to hard. So the question should be asked if it's right for the government outlaw this substance while allowing other equally hazardous substance to be available?

There's consequences to excessive use of almost anything and I don't see the problem here. It will save us tons of money being thrown away in the "war on drugs". It will save the country billions a year not having people incarcerate over pot. It will save us billions a year in court costs and lawyer fees. You can sin tax the crap out of it. It will create loads of jobs through out the country creating a bigger tax base. It will take money out of the drug cartels hands and put it into legit business that will pay taxes.

The upside is so large compared to the downside. Never used the stuff and hate smoking with a passion. I drink so why should I throw stones at people that hit the bong?
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A guy here in WA recently killed 4 people because he was way too stoned to drive... and it's not the first time fatality stoner accidents have been documented here and in other states.

Personal responsibility is the key - I have 2 beers and I won't drive, I know the consequences of what could happen. If you drink and drive you are an asshole and by law committing a crime; if you drink, drive and then damage property or injure/kill somebody you are a criminal twice over and should not be shown any leniency.
 
x SF med said:
A guy here in WA recently killed 4 people because he was way too stoned to drive... and it's not the first time fatality stoner accidents have been documented here and in other states.

Personal responsibility is the key - I have 2 beers and I won't drive, I know the consequences of what could happen. If you drink and drive you are an asshole and by law committing a crime; if you drink, drive and then damage property or injure/kill somebody you are a criminal twice over and should not be shown any leniency.
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Your statement caused me to get my Google on. I did find one article that stated that 1 in 9 fatal car accidents involves a person testing positive for pot. One of the interesting points was over the coarse of the decade long study they found 40% were alcohol related and that number stayed fairly constant between 1999 and 2010. For pot it started at 4% in 1999 and climbed to 12% in 2010.

It shows my opinion on the hazards of driving using pot were dated. Like you said though doom on you regardless of what your using if you drive impaired.

http://www.philly.com/philly/health...ot_Use_Have_Tripled_in_U_S___Study_Finds.html
 
Scotth said:
Your statement caused me to get my Google on. I did find one article that stated that 1 in 9 fatal car accidents involves a person testing positive for pot. One of the interesting points was over the coarse of the decade long study they found 40% were alcohol related and that number stayed fairly constant between 1999 and 2010. For pot it started at 4% in 1999 and climbed to 12% in 2010.

It shows my opinion on the hazards of driving using pot were dated. Like you said though doom on you regardless of what your using if you drive impaired.

http://www.philly.com/philly/health...ot_Use_Have_Tripled_in_U_S___Study_Finds.html
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You cannot compare the weed of yesteryear to today's product. Hell, High Times has a strain on its cover this month with a THC content of 28.3%.

For the record, we regularly arrest people under the influence of marijuana for DUI.
 
policemedic said:
You cannot compare the weed of yesteryear to today's product. Hell, High Times has a strain on its cover this month with a THC content of 28.3%
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WOW! I'm not sure what the deal is here but I remember back in NZ growers/dealers used to dip weed in ________ to increase it's effect. Each to their own.
 
pardus said:
Crazy, I guess people build up a tolerance to it like alcohol?
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It started in the 60's when the primary use shifted to recreational. Over the course of the past 50 years, the THC has been breed up, while the CBD was breed down. It was done because the more THC, the higher you could get, the more money you could charge for it - supply and demand I guess. In the past few years many growers are starting to breed up CBD because of the medical benefits, as recreational use is no longer the sole motivation behind cannabis use. I imagine we will see the strains with high THC balance out with the strains with high CBD in the coming years, especially with federal legalization approaching.
 
goon175 said:
You no longer need to get it through illicit means would be my first guess, but I'm sure there are 2nd and 3rd order effects that I am not thinking of.
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People aren't dealing with shady ass drug dealers who end up ripping people off or holding them up, probably a drop in gang violence/activity as people those shitbags lose their primary source of cash and thus their appeal for people to join. Now the only people dealing with those folks are the crackheads and meth addicts.
 
goon175 said:
The crime rate in colorado is decreasing since the legalization of Marijuana.

http://www.policymic.com/articles/8...ijuana-are-being-sold-in-colorado-every-month
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lindy said:
I wonder why. Weed still costs money so robbery would be unaffected. Guess they're too tired to get off the couch and put down the snacks?
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goon175 said:
You no longer need to get it through illicit means would be my first guess, but I'm sure there are 2nd and 3rd order effects that I am not thinking of.
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DasBoot said:
People aren't dealing with shady ass drug dealers who end up ripping people off or holding them up, probably a drop in gang violence/activity as people those shitbags lose their primary source of cash and thus their appeal for people to join. Now the only people dealing with those folks are the crackheads and meth addicts.
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Temporal association is not causation or a root cause of the very small decrease in crime rates. This needs to be looked at longitudinally, because you could write a book on things that cause crime rates to fluctuate.
 

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