The Trump Presidency 2.0

[Kraut783]

I did read he did some time as a Secret Service dude at least.



Well, we banned everything trans, so that should go with it. Unless the Navy wants it...

True....but not a current 1811, and not a FBI agent.

Granted, there is nothing that says the Exec management has to be agents.....but in my world, we don't hire Chiefs of Police or Asst Chiefs who aren't cops....

Just an odd precedent to set.

 

[ThunderHorse]

Guys, are we still playing this game? Can we get to the end? I don’t wanna see any folks simping for a hire from the ironclad ranks of the FBI, the most virtuous, most pristine, best run federal law enforcement agency we have. There’s no point talking about Bongino in any calm or rational sense. Just call him a dumb podcaster that got the job because of his personal relationship and move on, after agreeing that Trump is the harbinger of doom for the nation and he’s destroying democracy.

I’m sure the admin didn’t vet him as good as the internet will, I’m sure that it won’t be politically motivated, and everyone is dumb but me cause I have a phone, and he’s gonna fail, and he’s not qualified and ‘what about muh norms’ and all the rest.

Didn’t we do this with Hegseth already? Literally the exact same thing? Just move on to the next thing. It’s cleaner.

Bongino is in. Cry, cope, seethe, find next issue.

Until Comey, Page, McCabe, and Strzok are in chains we're kinda fucked tbh.

True....but not a current 1811, and not a FBI agent.

Granted, there is nothing that says the Exec management has to be agents.....but in my world, we don't hire Chiefs of Police or Asst Chiefs who aren't cops....

Just an odd precedent to set.

But in some cases they do appoint judges who don't even have a law degree.

 

[amlove21]

Hahaha oh my god that’s so disturbing. +1 to you.

 

[Kraut783]

Until Comey, Page, McCabe, and Strzok are in chains we're kinda fucked tbh.



But in some cases they do appoint judges who don't even have a law degree.

Yeah, Comey, Page, McCabe, and Strzok can burn in hell.....they caused so many problems for the guys in the field.

 

[DA SWO]

True....but not a current 1811, and not a FBI agent.

Granted, there is nothing that says the Exec management has to be agents.....but in my world, we don't hire Chiefs of Police or Asst Chiefs who aren't cops....

Just an odd precedent to set.

Not a current 1811, so he hasn't been indoctrinated into the FBI culture by co-workers and higher ups in the FBI.

 

[amlove21]

True....but not a current 1811, and not a FBI agent.

Granted, there is nothing that says the Exec management has to be agents.....but in my world, we don't hire Chiefs of Police or Asst Chiefs who aren't cops....

Just an odd precedent to set.

Well you’ll be happy to know it was set a long time ago. Comey was never a federal agent anywhere. He was a lawyer. Never worked FBI, or any other law enforcement for that matter, before his appointment to director in 2013.

Eta- fat fingered 2013.

 

[Kraut783]

Well you’ll be happy to know it was set a long time ago. Comey was never a federal agent anywhere. He was a lawyer. Never worked FBI, or any other law enforcement for that matter, before his appointment to director in 2013.

Eta- fat fingered 2013.

The director has always been a political appointee, and usually a former DOJ prosecutor or Judge. There has only been one former agent as a director, and that was Freeh.

Comey was a former DOJ prosecutor....

It’s the deputy director, and below that has never been done before…..like having the Secretary of Defense as a civilian, which is normal…but having a JCS member being a civilian.

 

[amlove21]

The director has always been a political appointee, and usually a former DOJ prosecutor or Judge. There has only been one former agent as a director, and that was Freeh.

Comey was a former DOJ prosecutor....

It’s the deputy director, and below that has never been done before…..like having the Secretary of Defense as a civilian, which is normal…but having a JCS member being a civilian

Another first! Historic corruption often takes drastic measures to correct. I’d really hate an entrenched FBI sycophant undermining Kash as his deputy… know what, you talked me into it.

This is amazing I can’t believe the first person of color ever heading the FBI (ever) was so smart as to hire from the outside for the first time in history!

I’m excited to see the outputs- not just, you know, the hand wringing and hemming/hawing from the press for the next 2 months, but the outputs from the FBI actual FBI.

 

[Cookie_]

Remember, DEI is bad because we prefer meritocracy; hiring tv personalities, podcasters, and a general who put on a MAGA hat is all totally based on actual merit and not vibes.

 

[RackMaster]

Remember, DEI is bad because we prefer meritocracy; hiring tv personalities, podcasters, and a general who put on a MAGA hat is all totally based on actual merit and not vibes.

So his times in the NYPD and Secret Service are irrelevant?

 

[AWP]

While everyone is focused on the FBI/DOJ release of the Epstein list/Diddy lists, I have some very real expectations for Kash and Danny B at the FBI. In order of my personal preference:

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The Epstein/Diddy lists may be mind-blowing to a small swath of the American public writ large, and I agree that they should be released immediately in full; the impacts on trust in our institutions from the above-mentioned cases are, in my opinion, far more prescient/important, even given the gravity of the Epstein scandal and it's second/third order effects.

I largely agree with your post, but with a minor disagreement. Patel stated he would release Epstein files on day one.

FBI Chief Kash Patel weighs release of 'complete' Epstein flight logs

'The black book?... that's under direct control of the director of the FBI,' Patel told broadcaster Glenn Beck, endorsing the idea of Trump releasing the black book 'on day one.'

MSN

Kash Patel's confirmation as FBI director has unleashed an online frenzy of demands for him to fulfill his promise to release Jeffrey Epstein's infamous black book "on day one," with long-standing speculation that President Trump himself is on the list.

Bondi ls also quoted as having those files on her desk and under review. Why review them? Pending litigation? Scrubbing information? And where are the JFK and RFK files?

This stuff matters because it is both sensational and low hanging fruit. It feeds into our country' short attention spans, but again it is low hanging fruit. Easily done and posted to a government archive (presumably not created by DOGE on a Cloudflare server) within hours of approving its release or so being sworn in as Director of the FBI.

That's why the files need to be released and released now. It is too easy, too much of a W, and all too suspicious the longer they wait and wait.

This is an easier victory than an under-15 BOYS soccer team against the best WHOLE ASS ADULT women in the US.
https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/ne...-the-u-s-womens-national-team-in-a-scrimmage/

 

[Cookie_]

So his times in the NYPD and Secret Service are irrelevant?

He's been outside of Law enforcement for almost as long as he was in it. Dude was never a supervisory agent.

Would you hire him as a VP for your company if someone with a similar resume was up for it?

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I'm pointing out that sometimes people will yell about "merit" but that shit only seems to apply if we're discussing minorities or people with politics we don't like.

 

[Marauder06]

Remember, DEI is bad because we prefer meritocracy; hiring tv personalities, podcasters, and a general who put on a MAGA hat is all totally based on actual merit and not vibes.

“General Caine is an accomplished pilot, national security expert, successful entrepreneur, and a ‘warfighter’ with significant interagency and special operations experience.” But yeah, let's focus on a hat.

 

[AWP]

How do you break down and rebuild an organization using people with longstanding ties to that organization? How do you break down and rebuild an organization with outsiders or low-level folks who never saw the organization at a high level? How do you not cripple an organization's ability to function while you break and rebuild?

Were I king for a day I'd have fired upper, upper-level folks then used their immediate subordinates to generate reports on how to save, what to cut, who to cut, etc. I'd review those findings with a very small team of trusted advisors. Within 6 months, go forth and execute the decisions. That isn't very cash money "move fast and break things" of me, but it meets necessary checks and balances, allows incoming leadership to see what the underlings can/ can't/ will/ won't do, and doesn't do...this.

Good initiative, poor judgement.

 

[Cookie_]

“General Caine is an accomplished pilot, national security expert, successful entrepreneur, and a ‘warfighter’ with significant interagency and special operations experience.” But yeah, let's focus on a hat.

And it's too bad there isn't a single 4 star in the military who has a background that's anything similar.
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Our SECDEF literally said he'd always doubt whether former CJCS got his job because of skill or race. We've now appointed somebody who doesn't meet the established pre-reqs for the position. The only thing that's been brought up for why Trump knows him is he wore a MAGA hat and said he could beat ISIS in a week (lol).

Do we give a shit about merit or not? It's fine if we don't, but let's stop pretending then.

ETA: I wanna give @amlove21 props, because he's been pretty clear that all he cares about for "merit" is if that person will do what the administration asks or not. Sometimes that person doesn't meet the "merit" of the position historically (Hesgeth) sometimes they do (Patel); either way, both will do what the administration asks, which is what he sees as the qualification for the job.

I might disagree with his view, but it's at least consistent one.

 

[Marauder06]

And it's too bad there isn't a single 4 star in the military who has a background that's anything similar.
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Our SECDEF literally said he'd always doubt whether former CJCS got his job because of skill or race. We've now appointed somebody who doesn't meet the established pre-reqs for the position. The only thing that's been brought up for why Trump knows him is he wore a MAGA hat and said he could beat ISIS in a week (lol).

Do we give a shit about merit or not?

I'm not following the pre-reqs for CJCS. Can you share them with me? If you're talking Goldwater-Nichols, there's a specific proviso authorizing a waiver, i.e. specifically authorizing what the president has done, i.e. meets the requirements.

I think I already wrote something about how dumb it is to focus on somebody's hat.

 

[Topkick]

because he's been pretty clear that all he cares about for "merit" is if that person will do what the administration asks

Well, that is what we voted for.

 

[Cookie_]

I'm not following the pre-reqs for CJCS. Can you share them with me? If you're talking Goldwater-Nichols, there's a specific proviso authorizing a waiver, i.e. specifically authorizing what the president has done, i.e. meets the requirements.

I think I already wrote something about how dumb it is to focus on somebody's hat.

You're correct the president can, if it's in the national interest. Which goes back to my point; there's not a single qualified 4 star general, so we had to pull a 3 star out of retirement?

Again, is this merit or because the President met the guy? Why is second guessing his qualifications somehow different that CQ Brown?

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I wanna make it clear that I'm not trying to argue Caine is or is not qualified. Much to my point earlier about consistent, I'm willing to look at people who don't traditionally meet all "preffered requirements". It's a broader discussion about how we apply "meritocracy", and where the boundaries are for that.

 

[AWP]

Not sure about GO's, but officers can be fired "without cause." Your boss can dislike your hair color, summarily fire you, and barely require justification.

Nearly every president has purged the FOGO ranks at some point, some have fired them while at war. Some FOGOs got away with murder and were not fired. When we question "loyalty" we need to question if that is to a President or the oath of office, that pesky "Constitution" clause.

And if we beat ISIS in a week or even a month I'm 6'2", 220, and have 5x5 2-way comms with God.

 

[Marauder06]

You're correct the president can, if it's in the national interest. Which goes back to my point; there's not a single qualified 4 star general, so we had to pull a 3 star out of retirement?

Again, is this merit or because the President met the guy? Why is second guessing his qualifications somehow different that CQ Brown?

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I wanna make it clear that I'm not trying to argue Caine is or is not qualified. Much to my point earlier about consistent, I'm willing to look at people who don't traditionally meet all "prefered requirements". It's a broader discussion about how we apply "meritocracy", and where the boundaries are for that.

Can you point me to anywhere that I second-guessed GEN Brown's appointment? Because I don't think I did. That call was the President's to make, just like this one was.

GEN Brown's predecessor was a guy who checked all the blocks for "pre-reqs" but then bragged about undermining the Commander in Chief and ran his mouth about him while in uniform and after. Some would say he did a terrible disservice to the military profession. Hopefully this pick will be better.