Two Dallas PD officers shot at protest

[compforce]

So I am as pro-LEO as any, but I'm having a really hard time with this one...

South Florida police shoot autistic man's caretaker as he lies in street | Fox News

 

[Red Flag 1]

So I am as pro-LEO as any, but I'm having a really hard time with this one...

South Florida police shoot autistic man's caretaker as he lies in street | Fox News

What perfect timing:wall:. So what does the BLM movement have for us now?

Anyone else think this will cost more LOE worries, perhaps more officer's lives?

 

[nobodythank you]

So I am as pro-LEO as any, but I'm having a really hard time with this one...

South Florida police shoot autistic man's caretaker as he lies in street | Fox News

I cannot recall the outlet that reported it, but it is alleged that when the gentleman that was shot asked the officer why he shot him, the officer responded that he didn't know. It certainly looks bad for the officer involved. I would guess that the cost to other LEOs will depend on how the agency handles the investigation and how it is received by the community.

 

[Kraut783]

So I am as pro-LEO as any, but I'm having a really hard time with this one...

South Florida police shoot autistic man's caretaker as he lies in street | Fox News

Thinking AD....sucks, and horrible timing

 

[AWP]

 

[ThunderHorse]

I cannot recall the outlet that reported it, but it is alleged that when the gentleman that was shot asked the officer why he shot him, the officer responded that he didn't know. It certainly looks bad for the officer involved. I would guess that the cost to other LEOs will depend on how the agency handles the investigation and how it is received by the community.

Well if the same standard that Comey applied to Clinton still applies nothing happens.

However, I'd like his badge and maybe some time behind bars.

 

[pardus]

Thinking AD....sucks, and horrible timing

Then that dumb cunt needs to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

 

[ThunderHorse]

What if he'd shot the autistic kid? Also, whoever that asshole was who called 911 needs to smacked and fined.

 

[TLDR20]

What if he'd shot the autistic kid? Also, whoever that asshole was who called 911 needs to smacked and fined.

Why? Please explain. If he thought he saw a gun, and someone acting funny, I don't blame him.

 

[ThunderHorse]

Oh so citizens should just call because they see something shiny in someone's hand? Nope. That person wasted resources by not taking a second glance or listening.

But, that cop is responsible, I hope he turned in his badge and gun.

 

[nobodythank you]

Well if the same standard that Comey applied to Clinton still applies nothing happens.

However, I'd like his badge and maybe some time behind bars.

I disagree only because I don't think, based on the available info, that he deserves jail time unless there was malice behind it. Lose his job? maybe. Prison? No way. No one died and the opportunity here for a lesson and healing is incredible for the agency involved. Cops are not perfect, and while they should be held to a high standard, I don't believe this one warrants a man's life to be ruined when no one was killed. YMMV

 

[policemedic]

Oh so citizens should just call because they see something shiny in someone's hand? Nope. That person wasted resources by not taking a second glance or listening.

But, that cop is responsible, I hope he turned in his badge and gun.

I would prefer that people see something and say something, as it were. It does generate some calls that turn out to be unfounded but that's better than missing something important.

 

[Marauder06]

If I saw some weird shit happening in the street I'd probably call the cops too.

 

[AWP]

I disagree only because I don't think, based on the available info, that he deserves jail time unless there was malice behind it. Lose his job? maybe. Prison? No way. No one died and the opportunity here for a lesson and healing is incredible for the agency involved. Cops are not perfect, and while they should be held to a high standard, I don't believe this one warrants a man's life to be ruined when no one was killed. YMMV

I'd side with lose his job. What about the possibility of a civil suit or would that fall upon his department and not him as an individual?

 

[compforce]

I'd side with lose his job. What about the possibility of a civil suit or would that fall upon his department and not him as an individual?

That's a good question. I would have to assume there is some kind of insurance that indemnifies officers against this kind of thing. LEO's, what say you? Is there insurance that covers accidental discharge that causes injury?

Honestly, given the climate right now, the city will have no choice but to pursue the maximum disciplinary action consistent with the facts, whether that is discharge from service or criminal charges. If they do anything less, they will definitely put other LEO's in more danger of continuing incidents. Even if they pursue the maximum, they will likely face some level of increased risk to the force. The people that are protesting, rioting and/or targeting police have not shown a rational side that will allow them to say "yeah, that punishment was enough". We'll also likely see more fuel thrown on the fire by the Commander in Chief.

eta: IMO the best course of action for the city would be to file criminal charges and hang it up in the courts in the hopes that by the time it comes to trial the current protests have ended. If it drags out long enough, an acquittal could be minor news and slip through the cracks unnoticed by the masses.

 

[nobodythank you]

I'd side with lose his job. What about the possibility of a civil suit or would that fall upon his department and not him as an individual?

The risk of a civil suit comes with the territory for the city/agency. Likely the city will seek a healthy settlement to avoid going to trial. I disagree with @compforce in filing charges to appease the crowds. That is what happened in Baltimore. That sets a precedent for mob rule in lieu of the rule of law within the community. Additionally, it shows a lack of support for the agency and ultimately the officers.

 

[ThunderHorse]

Gross Negligence...charges. Done. Even if it's a suspended sentence.

LEOs, do you have Professional Education and Training similar to what we have in the military once you reach a certain grade? One of my friends posted about this stating that it was quite necessary.

 

[Diamondback 2/2]

So I am as pro-LEO as any, but I'm having a really hard time with this one...

South Florida police shoot autistic man's caretaker as he lies in street | Fox News

Yeah this 100% a bad shoot, and I expect the officer will be fired, will probably be charged with some form of a deadly conduct charge (in Texas it's a misdemeanor) receive probaton and lose his peace officer commission. Civil suit to follow, he will be sued, the city will be sued, the city will probably settle and the officer will lose all his shit. End up driving a truck for living, or suck starting a pistol is normally next.

 

[Kraut783]

Gross Negligence...charges. Done. Even if it's a suspended sentence.

LEOs, do you have Professional Education and Training similar to what we have in the military once you reach a certain grade? One of my friends posted about this stating that it was quite necessary.

We have mandated State training over various topics every year, on top of our departments training. Usually, use of force, legal update of new laws, active shooter, defensive tactics, tactical driving, investigations, first aid, new department general orders...etc, and whatever hot topics come up. The training is mandatory for every sworn officer, regardless of rank.

Sergeants have to take a supervisors course when promoted. Lieutenants have to take a more advanced supervisor course once promoted, as well as Captains. Asst. Chiefs do some admin courses.

Officers and detectives can participate in Alternative Career Ladder (ACL), which is basically studying different police related fields, then take test on the course material. It's voluntary, but pay extra dough per level of ACL.

Edit: let me add this is all the basic stuff and not all encompassing....differs from department to department...with the State mandating certain training to try and keep all the departments consistent in some things. There is further training/schools that officers attend..Homicide investigation, sexual assault investigation, basic SWAT, advanced SWAT...etc.

You have to balance the training with staffing full patrol shifts and detectives....it can be hard, Police don't have the luxury of rotating from mission to training cycles as a whole.

 

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We have mandated State training over various topics every year, on top of our departments training. Usually, use of force, legal update of new laws, active shooter, defensive tactics, tactical driving, investigations, first aid, new department general orders...etc, and whatever hot topics come up. The training is mandatory for every sworn officer, regardless of rank.

Sergeants have to take a supervisors course when promoted. Lieutenants have to take a more advanced supervisor course once promoted, as well as Captains. Asst. Chiefs do some admin courses.

Officers and detectives can participate in Alternative Career Ladder (ACL), which is basically studying different police related fields, then take test on the course material. It's voluntary, but pay extra dough per level of ACL.

Given the broad field of problems LEO's encounter today, and are responsible for getting it right every time; I don't know how you can get enough training. It really is a huge task that you face everytime step out and into the street. In addition to LE duties, you fill the roll of first responder for medical care, social worker, referee, etc., etc. I do not have the words to tell you how greateful I am to have the caliber of LEOs that I have met and worked with over the years. Sometimes a lapse in judgement, or conflicting information is the cause that ends up with rounds being fired in error.

Our world today is pretty unforgiving when an office uses a firearm in the line of duty. Even when you are right, you and your fellow officers catch shit for it. Like every profession, you sometimes really get it wrong, and it changes your world forever. I hope the officer who fired on the care giver is treated fairly.