United States & Gun Control discussion.

[amlove21]

Ok ladies and gents. We are all members of the profession of of arms. We should be able to disagree without coming to verbal blows. We are brother and sisters and should be able to have civil discussion.

I will ask @ShadowSpear to allow all offending parties back into to the thread. If after a second chance they continue to behave like temperamental children allow @AWP to drop the ban hammer.

This issue needs attention and stifling it does no benifit to any of us.

So the rest of the staff did a great job handling the prior nonsense in the thread. Reading through, I wanted to address the above quote for a couple reasons, mainly because words have meanings and some things were said here that deserve specific reply.

I like the self policing, that's the goal. When an organization/culture/whatever finds a way to police their own without involvement from the authority, that's a good thing.

You can ask staff members to reconsider their punitive decisions, but you might not wanna do that when it's the boss that does it, 1. 2, you wouldn't "allow" the Amoral War Profiteer to do anything. And 3, we don't "stifle" any issues here in any way.

You all? The members? You "stifle" conversations when you force the staff to engage because you can't follow guidance and we have to lock things down.

Moving on...

 

[ThunderHorse]

The NRA has over 5MM adult members, these companies are only costing themselves money: NRA Corporate Partners Hit With Boycott Calls

 

[Frank S.]

Until every level of the current system is funded and run properly, as it's intended; this "debate" is useless.

I can't conceive of any system being run and funded properly, ever.
Once the decisions were made and implemented to phase out the psychiatric communities RF1 spoke of and the rubber room was put on the road, so to speak, there was no going back.
A bullet/taser cartridge is cheaper than housing, staff and meds.

 

[Fl_Ag]

There's been some talk of having armed guards at schools. Were you all tracking this? First I've heard of it was this morning.

Cop who didn't enter school during Florida shooting resigns, has home guarded, is slammed as 'coward' by Trump

"Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel said Peterson, who was armed when gunman Nikolas Cruz opened fire at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, “never went in[to]” the building that was under attack. He said the school resource officer instead took up a position viewing the western entrance of the building."

 

[Fl_Ag]

This is the level of thinking we're dealing with. There really is no rationalizing you can have with people like this. I keep this person around, a peer from high school, as a sober reminder there are folks who fiercely believe this kind of stuff.

 

[ThunderHorse]

There's been some talk of having armed guards at schools. Were you all tracking this? First I've heard of it was this morning.

Cop who didn't enter school during Florida shooting resigns, has home guarded, is slammed as 'coward' by Trump

"Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel said Peterson, who was armed when gunman Nikolas Cruz opened fire at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, “never went in[to]” the building that was under attack. He said the school resource officer instead took up a position viewing the western entrance of the building."

Yeah, the Sheriff burned him to. Armed Stoneman Douglas resource officer 'never went in' during Florida shooting

He got thumped all over social media yesterday well before POTUS found out.

 

[Red Flag 1]

I can't conceive of any system being run and funded properly, ever.

 

[amlove21]

 

[DC]

40k a year to work 6 months...sign me up.

 

[amlove21]

40k a year to work 6 months...sign me up.

Get after it! Troops to Teachers

 

[Ooh-Rah]

Ummm wow. There was a time I had wanted to see her as a Presidential candidate. Disappointing.

Condoleezza Rice: It’s time to discuss what Second Amendment ‘means in the modern world’

Former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Friday that it’s time to discuss what the Second Amendment “means in the modern world” in light of last week’s mass school shooting in Parkland, Florida.

Ms. Rice, who served under President George W. Bush, said that while the Second Amendment remains “indivisible,” she doesn’t think civilians should have access to guns like the AR-15, which was used by 19-year-old Nikolas Cruz to fatally shoot 17 students and teachers on Valentine’s Day.

“I think it is time to have a conversation about what the right to bear arms means in the modern world,” she told radio talk show host Hugh Hewitt. “I don’t understand why civilians need to have access to military weapons. We wouldn’t say you can go out and buy a tank.”

“But I believe that the rights that we have in the Constitution are indivisible,” she added. “We can’t throw away the Second Amendment and keep the First.”

 

[Ooh-Rah]

- Mod Hat On -

I've been moving posts between threads all afternoon.

Threads related to the school shooting should go in that thread. That includes discussions around the school security (or lack there of).
School shooting thread

Thanks.

- Rah -

 

[DC]

Political poison can ruin the minds of some of the best. Money can buy anyone. Starting to smell a soros agenda. Interesting to see what the next few weeks gives up.

 

[DC]

Getting worse. Sheriff chastised the NRA and stated he can keep us safe. We don’t need guns. Then deputies outed for dereliction of duty and failure to act. He put a 6 man team on the resource officers house now. Gov let Parkland down. We have had proactive threat investigations here now at 4 schools I know of. The gun free zones are now killing fields.

 

[AWP]

Getting worse. Sheriff chastised the NRA and stated he can keep us safe. We don’t need guns. Then deputies outed for dereliction of duty and failure to act. He put a 6 man team on the resource officers house now.

Wait, the sherriff went on the offensive against the NRA and then discovered his officers sat in the parking lot like turds? Now he's taken 6 officers off the street (or paying OT) to protect that trash? He should be run out of town on a rail for being that incompetent. Maybe the entire department for that matter.

 

[DC]

Correct. I am running down the OAN piece that Liz Wheeler did tonite about it. I can’t even fathom how this will go down for the vitums families. Take our guns then let us die? Unbelievable even for the ADMIN EDIT *people I don't agree with but I've been told time and again to stay away from calling names so I wont anymore* left. Indefensible.

 

[DC]

 

[ThunderHorse]

The amount of people telling folks that don't agree with them on Facebook to step in front of the line for the next shooting is mind boggling. We've fucked up. People in their Mid 20s really don't understand why we have the bill of rights and think AR platforms should only be fore Military and Police Forces. Legit that's like saying you should only have freedom of speech in the 18th century way in the back of my mind.

 

[amlove21]

The amount of people telling folks that don't agree with them on Facebook to step in front of the line for the next shooting is mind boggling. We've fucked up. People in their Mid 20s really don't understand why we have the bill of rights and think AR platforms should only be fore Military and Police Forces. Legit that's like saying you should only have freedom of speech in the 18th century way in the back of my mind.

Well, compare that with the "other side"- the people that hold the 2nd Amendment so sacrosanct that the very notion of exploring what it means today and how to apply it reasonably to our culture as it stands today is akin to heresy and makes you immediately a non-patriot.

I don't know if there was a real watershed moment where we had to choose sides and we couldn't explore topics without becoming polarized- but it happened.

 

[DC]

Your right we fucked up. We let complacency allow the left to brainwash a generation. Not the left of my time. A completely dark powerful left.