What’s happening in Iran?

[Brill]

Families of paratroopers deployed to the Middle East received 'menacing' messages on social media

. "If you like your life and you want to see your family again, pack up your stuff right now and leave the Middle East. Go back to your country. You and your terrorist clown president brought nothing but terrorism," the message reads. "You fools underestimate the power of Iran. The recent attack on your [expletive] bases was just a little taste of our power. By killing our general, you dug your own grave. Before having more dead bodies, just leave the region for good and never look back."

I can’t tell if that’s Iranian messaging or a Democrat response. I’m not kidding either.

 

[RackMaster]

So the Canadian government is giving the families of the airplane disaster, $25,000 per victim.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/plane-crash-champagne-oman-meeting-1.5430504

 

[R.Caerbannog]

So the Canadian government is giving the families of the airplane disaster, $25,000 per victim.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/plane-crash-champagne-oman-meeting-1.5430504

Wow, that is chump change. Friggin Trudeau, I'm sorry you guys are stuck with that knob gobbler.

 

[GOTWA]

So the Canadian government is giving the families of the airplane disaster, $25,000 per victim.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/plane-crash-champagne-oman-meeting-1.5430504

Wow. In college I learned there is a cost to human life and that certainly isn't in the ballpark. Disgusting isn't quite the term I'd use, nor is disappointed. Among other things, though, it is embarrassing.


"Sorry for your loss, here's a decent down payment for a new Toyota Tacoma."

 

[Butthead]

The NYT put out an article stating "11 Americans hurt after missile attack.
( 11 Americans Were Hurt in Iranian Strike, Military Says, Contradicting Trump )

They are being treated for concussion symptoms after the blast. This of course, means Trump was wrong about his initial tweet stating no Americans were injured/hurt.

This does make things interesting though. I can't imagine this article will truly make anyone angry considering it's just concussion symptoms, but does this press the issue for larger attacks and/or war against Iran?

 

[DA SWO]

The NYT put out an article stating "11 Americans hurt after missile attack.
( 11 Americans Were Hurt in Iranian Strike, Military Says, Contradicting Trump )

They are being treated for concussion symptoms after the blast. This of course, means Trump was wrong about his initial tweet stating no Americans were injured/hurt.

This does make things interesting though. I can't imagine this article will truly make anyone angry considering it's just concussion symptoms, but does this press the issue for larger attacks and/or war against Iran?

Read up on concussive symptoms.
They often don't show up immediately.

 

[Butthead]

Read up on concussive symptoms.
They often don't show up immediately.

Didn't mean to come off as a dick, my apologies.

I was just saying I don't think the average American thinks a concussion is as bad as they are/can be. However, I think a headline that reads as "11 Americans Were Hurt in Iranian Strike" not only makes Trump look like a liar (which is the motivation for the NYT I'm sure) but also pushes the issue with conflict in Iran. I think we will have way more people wanting to fight Iran in the coming weeks as more information comes out and as Iran continues trying to find someone to mess with.

 

[ThunderHorse]

Last I checked, we didn't call in 9-lines for concussions. Having suffered a concussion on active duty, I didn't know I was concussed for a couple of days. And I would not be asking for purple heart for TBI either.

 

[Marauder06]

I think concussion injuries are specifically covered by the Purple Heart criteria. This is from Wiki, but it's in line with what I saw happen down range:

A "wound" is defined as an injury to any part of the body from an outside force or agent sustained under one or more of the conditions listed above. A physical lesion is not required; however, the wound for which the award is made must have required treatment by a medical officer and records of medical treatment for wounds or injuries received in action must have been made a matter of official record. When contemplating an award of this decoration, the key issue that commanders must take into consideration is the degree to which the enemy caused the injury. The fact that the proposed recipient was participating in direct or indirect combat operations is a necessary prerequisite, but is not sole justification for award. The Purple Heart is not awarded for non-combat injuries.[12]

Enemy-related injuries which justify the award of the Purple Heart include: injury caused by enemy bullet, shrapnel, or other projectile created by enemy action; injury caused by enemy placed land mine, naval mine, or trap; injury caused by enemy released chemical, biological, or nuclear agent; injury caused by vehicle or aircraft accident resulting from enemy fire; and, concussion injuries caused as a result of enemy generated explosions.

 

[RackMaster]

Last I checked, we didn't call in 9-lines for concussions. Having suffered a concussion on active duty, I didn't know I was concussed for a couple of days. And I would not be asking for purple heart for TBI either.

As someone living with the lasting effects of TBI, take every concussion seriously; they can become accumulative. And once the injury is there, even a minor shaking of the head can exasperate symptoms. TBI could be just as serious or more than any other injury.

 

[Kaldak]

Things to add. Bookmarked for tomorrow.

 

[GOTWA]

Last I checked, we didn't call in 9-lines for concussions. Having suffered a concussion on active duty, I didn't know I was concussed for a couple of days. And I would not be asking for purple heart for TBI either.

If it's for pride reasons, I say that's a stupid reason. There are a lot of people that have gone untreated or had no documentation of such trauma during their service because they walked away with only a headache. If I got hit, I'd absolutely take that PH because that's my proof for care when the VA decides to turn its back.

 

[BlackSmokeRisinG]

NYT is all about anything to make the President look bad. As if he intentionally lied about injuries to look cool in front of Anderson Cooper or some shit...

Some of those missiles had 500kg warheads, that's quite a blast radius. If I remember correctly, the initial post blast TBI assessment was usually followed up the next day or so.

 

[DocCallahan]

W

Last I checked, we didn't call in 9-lines for concussions. Having suffered a concussion on active duty, I didn't know I was concussed for a couple of days. And I would not be asking for purple heart for TBI either.

Well if you know how serious TBI’s can get, last I checked you should absolutely get a guy to a role two facility or better ASAP depending on the severity of the TBI.

It can be as simple as not needing treatment to a guy having a snowballs chance in hell of making it without getting to a neuro surgeon same day.

I don’t know the extent of TBI guy’s injury, so my input is sorta moot.

 

[Brill]

If it's for pride reasons, I say that's a stupid reason.

That‘s close to EEO violation: LGBTQ+ and E=MC2 have rights to injury too!

 

[Ranger Psych]

Last I checked, we didn't call in 9-lines for concussions. Having suffered a concussion on active duty, I didn't know I was concussed for a couple of days. And I would not be asking for purple heart for TBI either.

Dude. Trying to determine degraded mental faculties for a cav officer is like trying to put pants on a pig. It's just happy someone's fucking with it and it's just going to do stupid shit anyway. Come on.

 

[amlove21]

Last I checked, we didn't call in 9-lines for concussions. Having suffered a concussion on active duty, I didn't know I was concussed for a couple of days. And I would not be asking for purple heart for TBI either.

You’d be surprised what 9 lines I’ve flown on. Not the point, though.

 

[Gordus]

Wow, that is chump change. Friggin Trudeau, I'm sorry you guys are stuck with that knob gobbler.

Let's not judge too quickly here.

“I want to be clear: we expect Iran to compensate these families,” Mr. Trudeau said. “But I have met them, they can’t wait weeks. They need support now.”

Compensation is the laibility of the airline in question, in this case Ukraine International Airlines.
However the airline, and all nations, expect Iran to compensate since they caused the plane's destruction. Which is imo the fairest course of action.
Either that, or the airline pays the victims and Iran compensates the airline at a later date, if currently unable.

That little summ may be a slap to the face, but in all fairness, the Canadian gov ( or any gov ) is not legaly obliged to make such an offer in the first place.

 

[RackMaster]

Let's not judge too quickly here.

“I want to be clear: we expect Iran to compensate these families,” Mr. Trudeau said. “But I have met them, they can’t wait weeks. They need support now.”

Compensation is the laibility of the airline in question, in this case Ukraine International Airlines.
However the airline, and all nations, expect Iran to compensate since they caused the plane's destruction. Which is imo the fairest course of action.
Either that, or the airline pays the victims and Iran compensates the airline at a later date, if currently unable.


That little summ may be a slap to the face, but in all fairness, the Canadian gov ( or any gov ) is not legaly obliged to make such an offer in the first place.

Trudeau has an image problem and this effectively changes the story. He's a bigger narcissist than Trump and doesn't care about anyone, unless it helps his image. It took almost a week for him to make any public comments about the situation in Iraq and Iran. Even while Canadian troops are on the ground on one of the same bases rocketed by Iran.

Iran will never compensate anyone as long as the current regime is in power. Families can't repatriate or have a funeral for a family member, when Iran is refusing to release bodies and harassing families.

‘It’s not safe at all’: Iran harassing families of plane crash victims, sources say

 

[GOTWA]

Let's not judge too quickly here.

“I want to be clear: we expect Iran to compensate these families,” Mr. Trudeau said. “But I have met them, they can’t wait weeks. They need support now.”

Compensation is the laibility of the airline in question, in this case Ukraine International Airlines.
However the airline, and all nations, expect Iran to compensate since they caused the plane's destruction. Which is imo the fairest course of action.
Either that, or the airline pays the victims and Iran compensates the airline at a later date, if currently unable.

That little summ may be a slap to the face, but in all fairness, the Canadian gov ( or any gov ) is not legaly obliged to make such an offer in the first place.

Or Trudeau compensates the families and waits for compensation from...whomever decides to pay.