What’s happening in Iran?

[Marauder06]

If something does happen, I hope it's spectacularly spectacular.

I know nothing more than anyone else here, and probably a lot less than some. But I just don't think it's necessary. What we're doing right now seems to be working, and I don't see a need to give Iran something to rally behind, or an excuse to do something kinetic, at this point. Deterrence and coercion tend to work best when you don't have to get explody to get someone to comply.

 

[RackMaster]

I know nothing more than anyone else here, and probably a lot less than some. But I just don't think it's necessary. What we're doing right now seems to be working, and I don't see a need to give Iran something to rally behind, or an excuse to do something kinetic, at this point. Deterrence and coercion tend to work best when you don't have to get explody to get someone to comply.

Oh I completely agree with you. I'm just a firm believer in go big or go home.

 

[MosulMedic]

I think the Gulf/ Sunni/ Muslim world are tired of Iran's antics. Just reading between the lines and all, but someone wants us to think these events aren't related? Abraham Accords. Normalization of relations, F-35's. The sudden deaths of Iranian nuke scientists. What else am I missing?

The Iranians aren't stupid. The noose is tightening and the US isn't driving this. Israel isn't a sole partner. Saudi and the UAE are tired of Iran's shit. Qatar is Pakisan light. Oman... I don't know. Kuwait is hedging its bets. The Saudi-UAE alliance is THE power in the Gulf right now.

The Sunni vs. Shia split is hiding behind foreign policy, but it is there. Make no mistake, it is part of the equation where the Arabian Gulf/ Arabian Peninsula are concerned.

People speeding things up in anticipation of a regime change in the US?

Fakhirzadeh has been on Mossads hit list for some time. Either way good take out before Biden rolls into office

 

[Marauder06]

Fakhirzadeh has been on Mossads hit list for some time. Either way good take out before Biden rolls into office

Seeing your username made me think of the show I'm watching on Netflix right now, "Mosul." have you seen it yet?

 

[Brill]

Someone has the sads.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1332400792620462082

 

[ThunderHorse]

Someone has the sands.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1332400792620462082

That's cute. Since Brennan droned a lot of innocents, why is he allowed to have a platform? Just saying.

 

[AWP]

Iran knows it can kill hundreds if not a thousand+ Americans alone in the Gulf region. It also knows that to do so would be the end of the country as the world knows it. That's why they have proxies doing their dirty work.

 

[Jaknight]

Would Iran ever really give up the ability to have nukes? I wouldn’t if it was me I think they are great deterrent for invasion in my amateur opinion.

 

[SaintKP]

Would Iran ever really give up the ability to have nukes? I wouldn’t if it was me I think they are great deterrent for invasion in my amateur opinion.

We thought there were nukes or at the very least WMDs in 01, yet we went and as the kids say vibe checked Saddam. I think we've reached a point in the development of warfare and technology that while nuclear proliferation and the weapons themselves still pose a significant threat, they aren't as much of the threat they once were.

I'm speaking largely from what I've read in news articles and keeping up with various events in the past 10-20 years and cyber warfare seems to be the counter to a nuclear threat at least in terms of conducting an invasion or actively preventing the development and usage of said weapons.


(Take this with a grain of salt but if anyone wants to flesh out correct me I'm all for it)

 

[DA SWO]

I lol that no one thinks the shooters were MEK or another Iranian dissident group, especially that dickhead Brennan.

 

[Ooh-Rah]

Brennon calling Iran:

 

[Dame]

We thought there were nukes or at the very least WMDs in 01, yet we went and as the kids say vibe checked Saddam. I think we've reached a point in the development of warfare and technology that while nuclear proliferation and the weapons themselves still pose a significant threat, they aren't as much of the threat they once were.

I'm speaking largely from what I've read in news articles and keeping up with various events in the past 10-20 years and cyber warfare seems to be the counter to a nuclear threat at least in terms of conducting an invasion or actively preventing the development and usage of said weapons.


(Take this with a grain of salt but if anyone wants to flesh out correct me I'm all for it)

Is this what you were referring to?
C.I.A. Is Said to Have Bought and Destroyed Iraqi Chemical Weapons (Published 2015)

C.I.A. Is Said to Have Bought and Destroyed Iraqi Chemical Weapons (Shadowspear thread)

 

[ThunderHorse]

We thought there were nukes or at the very least WMDs in 01, yet we went and as the kids say vibe checked Saddam. I think we've reached a point in the development of warfare and technology that while nuclear proliferation and the weapons themselves still pose a significant threat, they aren't as much of the threat they once were.

I'm speaking largely from what I've read in news articles and keeping up with various events in the past 10-20 years and cyber warfare seems to be the counter to a nuclear threat at least in terms of conducting an invasion or actively preventing the development and usage of said weapons.


(Take this with a grain of salt but if anyone wants to flesh out correct me I'm all for it)

Here's the deal. We did in fact find chemical weapons. U.S. troops found nearly 5,000 abandoned chemical weapons in Iraq from 2004 to 2011: report

There are a couple hundred Soldiers (maybe even a few thousand, would need to check with the VA) out there that were exposed to chemical weapons while in Iraq. This exposure came from the search and disposition and not offensive use by any Iraqi forces.

 

[racing_kitty]

Here's the deal. We did in fact find chemical weapons. U.S. troops found nearly 5,000 abandoned chemical weapons in Iraq from 2004 to 2011: report

There are a couple hundred Soldiers (maybe even a few thousand, would need to check with the VA) out there that were exposed to chemical weapons while in Iraq. This exposure came from the search and disposition and not offensive use by any Iraqi forces.

I was in Baghdad when an EOD team in Taji unearthed some mustard rounds during a demo op. A couple of techs and security guys got bit. They had no idea the rounds were buried underneath where they were working until they checked the shot hole.

A Navy EOD team got bit by a chem round (VX, but I could be remembering wrong), and they were accused of being high on drugs because folks couldn’t admit there really were chemical munitions in Iraq.

If you don’t want to believe me, here’s a link I found via Google Scholar to a PDF copy of the NYT article talking about same: https://www.netadvisor.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/2014-10-14-The-Secret-Casualties-of-Iraq’s-Abandoned-Chemical-Weapons-NYT.pdf

 

[SaintKP]

Here's the deal. We did in fact find chemical weapons. U.S. troops found nearly 5,000 abandoned chemical weapons in Iraq from 2004 to 2011: report

There are a couple hundred Soldiers (maybe even a few thousand, would need to check with the VA) out there that were exposed to chemical weapons while in Iraq. This exposure came from the search and disposition and not offensive use by any Iraqi forces.

My comment wasn't meant to draw doubt on whether there was chemical weapons in Iraq, but that we knew there was a strong likelihood of WMDs and yet we still went. I wasn't trying to downplay what happened, but to try and reinforce the fact that a country having WMDs no longer really precludes it from invasion like it might once have during the Cold War.

Apologies if I came across wrong.

 

[Kraut783]

Here's the deal. We did in fact find chemical weapons. U.S. troops found nearly 5,000 abandoned chemical weapons in Iraq from 2004 to 2011: report

There are a couple hundred Soldiers (maybe even a few thousand, would need to check with the VA) out there that were exposed to chemical weapons while in Iraq. This exposure came from the search and disposition and not offensive use by any Iraqi forces

I was in Baghdad when an EOD team in Taji unearthed some mustard rounds during a demo op. A couple of techs and security guys got bit. They had no idea the rounds were buried underneath where they were working until they checked the shot hole.

A Navy EOD team got bit by a chem round (VX, but I could be remembering wrong), and they were accused of being high on drugs because folks couldn’t admit there really were chemical munitions in Iraq.

If you don’t want to believe me, here’s a link I found via Google Scholar to a PDF copy of the NYT article talking about same: https://www.netadvisor.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/2014-10-14-The-Secret-Casualties-of-Iraq’s-Abandoned-Chemical-Weapons-NYT.pdf

al-Taji had "Chemical Ali's" chem plant....think I have a pic of some of it from 2007.

 

[AWP]

The problem is what was pitched to the world and what was found were two different things. We essentially obtained a search warrant for heroin, but raided a house and found a meth lab instead.

 

[Kraut783]

The problem is what was pitched to the world and what was found were two different things. We essentially obtained a search warrant for heroin, but raided a house and found a meth lab instead.

Still a felony illegal drug.....

..except, maybe not in Oregon.

 

[Marauder06]

We went into Iraq with good intentions, but we sure made a mess of things.

 

[DA SWO]

We went into Iraq with good intentions, but we sure made a mess of things.

The road to hell Baghdad was paved with good intentions.
Fucking Rumsfeld.