What’s happening in Iran?

[Florida173]

People conflating him as the VP is not really good use of the Org Chart. It's more like whacking a service chief. They have a President and even Vice President whom are elected. It's like a constitutional monarchy, but not. The president does all the domestic executive shit and the Supreme Leader does all the foreign policy shit...and we just whacked one of his Field Marshalls.

But last I checked we don't have 4 stars leading our own version of the Muj anywhere.

Our next move better be sinking every boat they got. This could get hairy, but we can exact a lot of damage on their earmarking capabilities without committing a lot of manpower.

Yeah.. Sort of. He answered to the IRGC commander.

 

[Brill]

Iran raises red flag - sign of war.

Anyway, U.S. can you please make sure to exclude Georgia and Europe from the blast radius ? ^^

Persians don’t need visas to visit Sakartvelo so they’re EVERYWHERE there...watching.

 

[AWP]

By now we aren't going to do anything unless the Iranians get their kill on. If that happens we have a lot of aircrews who will drop bombs on Iran instead of ISIS. We have -22's and -35's in theater, some heavies, and B-2's that can be here in 18 hours or less. That's not even addressing the -15E's, 16's, and A-10's in theater. We got this.

 

[BlackSmokeRisinG]

*raises hand*

Who's going to kick us out?

The Iraqis?

Last I checked, we haven't been kicked out of any war/theater we participated in... nevermind a country we invaded.

We would be leaving like the troops in 2011, and maybe the Embassy would close also if things got too messy and the Iraqi gov't actually kicked us out. I don't see the State Dept. or military staying on against the will of the Iraq gov't.

Is there enough Iranian influence in Iraq's gov't to actually do that though?

There was an ROE change in the last month about the strike approval process regarding SMG's. It was pretty convoluted and messy before that, in regards to how many people it had to climb in the Iraqi chain of command.

Thanks for that info. I could totally see a local or division level IA commander (sunni) giving the go ahead and walking outside for a smoke while he waited for the boom. Its hard to believe that the U.S. military would go through with that kind of strike without any Iraqi approval, but of course I'm not there so I could be wrong.

 

[Gordus]

Persians don’t need visas to visit Sakartvelo so they’re EVERYWHERE there...watching.

Of all the countries that have a visa-free agreement with Iran, Georgia has the strictest requirements and only allows 45 days instead of the standard 90, also is very reluctant to have people settle down. The number of Iranians who live there is barely above 3000.
I personaly doubt that anything goes unnoticed in that particular country, and that Iran is somehow more sophisticated than Russia in that business.

More reasons to exclude from the blast radius is that you have troops / instructors over there, and a huge embassy.
If that was a legit concern for you, then I would worry more about the millions of Iranians and Russians living in the United States.

 

[Gunz]

Report: Obama Administration Stopped Israel From Assassinating Soleimani in 2015


"The report says Israel was 'on the verge' of assassinating Soleimani three years ago, near Damascus, but the United States warned the Iranian leadership of the plan, revealing that Israel was closely tracking the Iranian general," Haaretz reported.

The incident "sparked a sharp disagreement between the Israeli and American security and intelligence apparatuses regarding the issue." That sounds like an understatement.

Someone posted elsewhere that Obama halted the Israelis from doing such in 2015.

It conflicted with JCPOA at a time when POTUS and Kerry were trying to build their legacy by kissing Iranian ass.

Be advised, Netanyahu is doing cartwheels right now.

 

[Brill]

By now we aren't going to do anything unless the Iranians get their kill on. If that happens we have a lot of aircrews who will drop bombs on Iran instead of ISIS. We have -22's and -35's in theater, some heavies, and B-2's that can be here in 18 hours or less. That's not even addressing the -15E's, 16's, and A-10's in theater. We got this.

Careful that you’re not accused of aiding and abetting war crimes.

 

[Gunz]

By now we aren't going to do anything unless the Iranians get their kill on. If that happens we have a lot of aircrews who will drop bombs on Iran instead of ISIS. We have -22's and -35's in theater, some heavies, and B-2's that can be here in 18 hours or less. That's not even addressing the -15E's, 16's, and A-10's in theater. We got this.

Iran's got strategic patience. I think they'll continue to talk big, maybe step up proxy attacks on US interests but not risk a full scale shitshow they couldn't possibly win on their own. And work like mad monkeys enriching uranium.

But it amuses me that the young Leftists screaming WW3 are racking up record hits on the selective service website...

 

[GOTWA]

Mossad was gonna ice this guy if we didn't. Saudis wanted him dead, too.

You have to ask yourself, who's in a better position to defend against the retaliation? I think we took one for the team because we're in a much better place militarily, and physically, than the other two. Sort of.

Iran's got strategic patience. I think they'll continue to talk big, maybe step up proxy attacks on US interests but not risk a full scale shitshow they couldn't possibly win on their own. And work like mad monkeys enriching uranium.


But it amuses me that the young Leftists screaming WW3 are racking up record hits on the selective service website...

Well, their proxy is what got us to this point in the first place. If they ramp anything up, same same.

 

[Kaldak]

Well, they told the rest of the world to fuck off...

AP News: Iran abandons nuclear deal over US killing general Iran abandons nuclear deal over US killing general Iran abandons nuclear deal over US killing general

 

[ThunderHorse]

Not like they weren't continuing their program...

 

[Box]

I reckon the EU has some choices to make about Iran bailing on the Nuke treaty - who'd a thunk it

 

[Ooh-Rah]

Pretty interesting read....

The U.S. Lost a (Fictional) War With Iran 18 Years Ago — Popular Mechanics

 

[Devildoc]

Alls I know is this: Iranian/Persian women are hot. We need to free the shit out of them.

Oh yeah, their theocracy is bad, too...

 

[Jaknight]

Pretty interesting read....

The U.S. Lost a (Fictional) War With Iran 18 Years Ago — Popular Mechanics

I remember reading about this a while back and how some of the stuff was off such as the motorcycle messages being delivered as fast as instant communications and there being too many speed boats or something of the like I’ll try to find the article and link it

 

[Florida173]

Big argument I'm seeing now is on authorities.

Some people are suggesting that POTUS is in violation of the NDAA SEC. 1229 "PROHIBITION OF UNAUTHORIZED MILITARY FORCE IN OR AGAINST IRAN."

Although if you take a look at SEC. 1229(c)(2)


I think the exceptions consistent with the War Power Resolutions sec (2)(c)(2) &(3).



Statutory authorization in this sense is both the 2001 and 2002 AUMFs.

You can see how the WH has interpreted the AUMFs in a congressional correspondence here in that they don't view the AUMF as authorizing military force against Iran, except as may be necessary to defend the U.S. or partner forces engaged in counterterrorism operations or operations to establish a stable, democratic Iraq.

I'd probably suggest that as an attempt for barracks lawyer. How it squares with the NDAA, and whether or not it was prudent even if technically or tenuously authorized, are different questions.

Interesting edit.. Apparently the 2020 NDAA does not explicitly prohibit military action against Iran. That was in a previously *proposed* bill passed by the House of Representatives, which died in the Senate. The actually-ratified 2020 NDAA removes the prohibition against military action against Iran, among other things, and was passed into law on December 20th.

Also, the ban on assassinations under EO 12333 is executive policy (long-standing, but not law). It has a long history of wide-ranging interpretation, especially in self-defense circumstances, and is generally not considered in violation during armed conflict. If leaning on both 2002 AUMF statutory authority and Article II powers, the strike doesn't particularly invert EO 12333's ban. These interpretations are what allow for the expansions of the drone strikes throughout the previous administration.

The more you know. Not quite ready for the LSAT

 

[policemedic]

Are those our red lines for going to war? Are those our established thresholds for entering armed conflict?

Because we think we have a pretty good idea what Iran’s triggers are, and the death of Soleimani many very well be one of them.

Just so I’m clear, is it your position that Soleimani was not a legitimate military target?

 

[Kaldak]

My question, when did targeted drone strikes start being called assassinations? Didn't the previous POTUS use drones for targeted hits like crazy?

 

[ThunderHorse]

My question, when did targeted drone strikes start being called assassinations? Didn't the previous POTUS use drones for targeted hits like crazy?

Don't you know, the left re-draws the sidelines every day.

Pretty interesting read....

The U.S. Lost a (Fictional) War With Iran 18 Years Ago — Popular Mechanics

This article is all over the place for me. The exercise took place in 2002, but the timeline had it taking place in (2007 for exercise environment) 5 years in the future. V-22s were not introduced into service until 2007, so how could the landing force have V-22s?

Anyways, if there ever was a landing for troops it would occur after weeks of bombardment.

 

[Salt USMC]

Just so I’m clear, is it your position that Soleimani was not a legitimate military target?

Of course he was