What’s happening in Iran?

[AWP]

Is anyone under the assumption that using their airspace and bases to target people inside Iraq is a unilateral move by the U.S.?

Yes. Zero doubt.

ETA: our a/c typically won't enter the country without Iraqi ATC approval. We've done it before, but those were unusual to extreme instances. The initial reports said they were killed by Katyusha rockets or simply "rockets." Maybe the Iraqis were trying to play it off, but they had to know we'd make a statement, so blaming it on non-US ordnance seems kind of weak. Plus, whatever you think of our political situation at home, we didn't tell members of Congress, but we're going to give the Iraqis the heads up on a guy they had to know was in their country? We gave the Russians minimal warning in Syria and we saw how that worked out.

 

[BlackSmokeRisinG]

Well, if they didn't get prior approval in some form, and the action was not previously agreed upon by the U.S. and Iraq, maybe they will kick us out in short order.

And of course Iran is going to be bombing something/kidnapping someone somewhere.

 

[BloodStripe]

Here's a good topo map of Iran.

I didn't know how mountainous it was. List of mountains in Iran - Wikipedia

 

[Brill]

@BloodStripe , we used to (prerevovlution) have listening posts n the mountains to keep tabs on the Soviet Union.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...hirring/3f3745ec-9d7d-420b-a39b-4714693fd89f/

 

[SpongeBob*24]

Who is Rose Mccowan?

A well known INTEL Analyst for Hollywood......

 

[Florida173]

A well known INTEL Analyst for Hollywood......

Just Google "rose mcgowan nude" and hit images

 

[GOTWA]

Just Google "rose mcgowan nude" and hit images

I'll take that bet.

ETA: So...she's really not my type, but that still didn't stop me.

 

[Ranger Psych]

Well, if they didn't get prior approval in some form, and the action was not previously agreed upon by the U.S. and Iraq, maybe they will kick us out in short order.

And of course Iran is going to be bombing something/kidnapping someone somewhere.

*raises hand*

Who's going to kick us out?

The Iraqis?

Last I checked, we haven't been kicked out of any war/theater we participated in... nevermind a country we invaded.

 

[Kraut783]

Would be interesting, Iraq gets mad and kicks out our embassy and ends our SOFA agreements....we all leave...win win.

 

[GOTWA]

Would be interesting, Iraq gets mad and kicks out our embassy and ends our SOFA agreements....we all leave...win win.

That's how the politicians would play it down. "War isn't over, but we're respecting their sovereignty, so we're leaving." But when you're the biggest and baddest on the block, documentation matters very little.

 

[AlexSmir]

*raises hand*

Who's going to kick us out?

The Iraqis?

Last I checked, we haven't been kicked out of any war/theater we participated in... nevermind a country we invaded.

WOW_WOW. We kicked the FID attempt from the territories of Georgia. As well as the large-scaled UW attempt from Syria... We banned the attempt to launch a US naval base at Crimea. By taking Crimea back to it's propper place...:) You guys have really powerful and professional Armed Forces which I respect. But don't be too cocky, that thing killed many glorious warriors.

 

[Devildoc]

Yes. Zero doubt.

ETA: our a/c typically won't enter the country without Iraqi ATC approval. We've done it before, but those were unusual to extreme instances. The initial reports said they were killed by Katyusha rockets or simply "rockets." Maybe the Iraqis were trying to play it off, but they had to know we'd make a statement, so blaming it on non-US ordnance seems kind of weak. Plus, whatever you think of our political situation at home, we didn't tell members of Congress, but we're going to give the Iraqis the heads up on a guy they had to know was in their country? We gave the Russians minimal warning in Syria and we saw how that worked out.

I give/gave props to Obama where I could, including those drone strikes and authorizing the OBL op.

 

[ThunderHorse]

Here's a good topo map of Iran. View attachment 31312

I didn't know how mountainous it was. List of mountains in Iran - Wikipedia

Yeah, that's gonna be a tough nut if anyone's thinking about boots.

 

[Deleted member 2517]

WOW_WOW. We kicked the FID attempt from the territories of Georgia. As well as the large-scaled UW attempt from Syria... We banned the attempt to launch a US naval base at Crimea. By taking Crimea back to it's propper place...:) You guys have really powerful and professional Armed Forces which I respect. But don't be too cocky, that thing killed many glorious warriors.

That sounds like some shit talking there, Ivan. I don’t know how familiar you are with American sports but you just came into a Red Sox bar and said Jeter was better than Nomar.

 

[Hillclimb]

These drone strikes in Iraq must mean that the Iraqi government is approving the destruction of these Iranian backed militia groups that have become too powerful.

Is anyone under the assumption that using their airspace and bases to target people inside Iraq is a unilateral move by the U.S.?

There was an ROE change in the last month about the strike approval process regarding SMG's. It was pretty convoluted and messy before that, in regards to how many people it had to climb in the Iraqi chain of command.

 

[AlexSmir]

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That sounds like some shit talking there, Ivan. I don’t know how familiar you are with American sports but you just came into a Red Sox bar and said Jeter was better than Nomar.

I'm not Ivan, I'm Alex. Didn't mean to piss anyone off, just reminded some facts to one who claimed "never".
I believe it's a great chance to educate myself about sports:) I like to learn new things about countries and people, that's exciting!
And... Why do Americans always call us Ivans? Ivan isn't Russian name in fact, it's Jewish. It came here with the Bible and eventually assimilated.
I know that 75th is not language/culture oriented unit. But perhaps you wanna know something really new about us:)

 

[Deleted member 2517]

I'm not Ivan, I'm Alex. Didn't mean to piss anyone off, just reminded some facts to one who claimed "never".
I believe it's a great chance to educate myself about sports:) I like to learn new things about countries and people, that's exciting!
And... Why do Americans always call us Ivans? Ivan isn't Russian name in fact, it's Jewish. It came here with the Bible and eventually assimilated.
I know that 75th is not language/culture oriented unit. But perhaps you wanna know something really new about us:)

Took a Russian history class in college. Follow your affairs in the news. I know enough. Don’t need cultural training to blow a hole in a wall and walk in like you own the place.

 

[AlexSmir]

Took a Russian history class in college. Follow your affairs in the news. I know enough. Don’t need cultural training to blow a hole in a wall and walk in like you own the place.

Yeah. Ranger are damn good in blowing and walking in. Read some of Reg's books about it... Rather interesting

 

[Florida173]

Big argument I'm seeing now is on authorities.

Some people are suggesting that POTUS is in violation of the NDAA SEC. 1229 "PROHIBITION OF UNAUTHORIZED MILITARY FORCE IN OR AGAINST IRAN."

Although if you take a look at SEC. 1229(c)(2)

SEC. 1229. PROHIBITION OF UNAUTHORIZED MILITARY FORCE IN OR AGAINST IRAN.
(a) Findings.—Congress finds the following:

(1) The acquisition by the Government of Iran of a nuclear weapon would pose a grave threat to international peace and stability and the national security of the United States and United States allies, including Israel.

(2) The Government of Iran is a leading state sponsor of terrorism, continues to materially support the regime of Bashar al-Assad, and is responsible for ongoing gross violations of the human rights of the people of Iran.

(3) Article I of the United States Constitution requires the President to obtain authorization from Congress before engaging in war with Iran.

(b) Clarification Of Current Law.—Nothing in the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107–40; 50 U.S.C. 1541 note), the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 (Public Law 107–243; 50 U.S.C. 1541 note), or any other provision of law enacted before the date of the enactment of this Act may be construed to provide authorization for the use of military force against Iran.

(c) Prohibition Of Unauthorized Military Force In Or Against Iran.—

(1) IN GENERAL.—Except as provided in paragraph (1), no Federal funds may be used for any use of military force in or against Iran unless Congress has—

(A) declared war; or

(B) enacted specific statutory authorization for such use of military force after the date of the enactment of this Act that meets the requirements of the War Powers Resolution (50 U.S.C. 1541 et seq.).

(2) EXCEPTION.—The prohibition under paragraph (1) shall not apply to a use of military force that is consistent with section (2)(c) of the War Powers Resolution.

(d) Rules Of Construction

(1) Nothing in this section may be construed to prevent the President from using necessary and appropriate force to defend United States allies and partners if Congress enacts specific statutory authorization for such use of force consistent with the requirements of the War Powers Resolution (50 U.S.C. 1541 et seq.).

(2) Nothing in this Act may be construed to relieve the executive branch of restrictions on the use of force, reporting, or consultation requirements set forth in the War Powers Resolution (50 U.S.C. 1541 et seq.).

(3) Nothing in this Act may be construed to authorize the use of military force.

I think the exceptions consistent with the War Power Resolutions sec (2)(c)(2) &(3).

(c) The constitutional powers of the President as Commander-in-Chief to introduce United States Armed Forces into hostilities, or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, are exercised only pursuant to (1) a declaration of war, (2) specific statutory authorization, or (3) a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces.

Statutory authorization in this sense is both the 2001 and 2002 AUMFs.

You can see how the WH has interpreted the AUMFs in a congressional correspondence here in that they don't view the AUMF as authorizing military force against Iran, except as may be necessary to defend the U.S. or partner forces engaged in counterterrorism operations or operations to establish a stable, democratic Iraq.

I'd probably suggest that as an attempt for barracks lawyer. How it squares with the NDAA, and whether or not it was prudent even if technically or tenuously authorized, are different questions.

 

[RackMaster]

Yeah. Ranger are damn good in blowing and walking in. Read some of Reg's books about it... Rather interesting

I understand that you are just defending your nation but you are also very new here. I suggest you re-read the forum rules and spend more time reading, less time posting. It's not the time or place to play "pokey chest" with verified and respected members.