White House says shutdown will delay pay to troops

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WASHINGTON – The Obama administration warned Wednesday that a federal shutdown would undermine the economic recovery, delay pay to U.S. troops fighting in three wars, slow the processing of tax returns and limit small business loans and government-backed mortgages during peak home buying season.

The dire message, delivered two days before the federal government's spending authority expires, appeared aimed at jolting congressional Republicans into a budget compromise. Billions of dollars apart, congressional negotiators were working to strike a deal by Friday to avert a shutdown by setting spending limits through the end of September. The last such shutdown took place 15 years ago and lasted 21 days.

President Barack Obama telephoned House Speaker John Boehner on Wednesday, and Boehner's office said the speaker told Obama he was hopeful a deal could be reached.

As the talks continued, the White House sought to put the prospect of a shutdown in terms people would care about, warning even that the beloved National Cherry Blossom Festival Parade in the nation's capital would be wiped out. The Smithsonian Institution and national parks around the country would also be closed.

A shutdown would come at an especially busy time for the Smithsonian. The Cherry Blossom Festival, which concludes this weekend, draws many tourists to an area near the museums. The Smithsonian counts about 3 million visits each April and has already sold 23,000 IMAX movie and lunch combos to school groups for the month.

Under long-standing federal rules, agencies would not be affected that provide for U.S. national security, dispense most types of federal benefit payments, offer inpatient medical care or outpatient emergency care, ensure the safe use of food and drugs, manage air traffic, protect and monitor borders and coastlines, guard prisoners, conduct criminal investigations and law enforcement, oversee power distribution and oversee banks.

Mail deliveries would continue in the event of a shutdown. U.S. postal operations are not subsidized by tax dollars.

According to the shutdown scenario described by the administration, the government would have to significantly cut staffing across the executive branch, including workers at the White House and civilian employees at the Defense Department; close to 800,000 workers would be affected. Congress and the federal court system will also be subject to a shutdown.

At the Pentagon, defense officials were finalizing plans that would lay out how the department would deal with a shutdown. But they already have acknowledged that U.S. military troops — including those in war zones — would receive one week's pay instead of two in their next paycheck if the government were to close.

Military personnel at home and abroad would continue to earn pay, but they wouldn't get paychecks until there was a budget agreement and government operations resumed.

Col. Dave Lapan, a Pentagon spokesman, said that the Pentagon would be open on Monday and would be staffed. He said decisions on which Defense Department employees must report to work would depend on their jobs, rather than where they were based.

Key national security responsibilities, including operations in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya and earthquake assistance to Japan, would not be interrupted by a shutdown, the Pentagon said.
The CIA also would not close, though it would be drawing down some non-essential personnel to be in compliance with federal law, according to a senior intelligence official, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss matters of intelligence.

Officials familiar with the shutdown say essential counterterrorism functions in other parts of the intelligence community would continue, like monitoring of the terrorist watch lists, and essential intelligence collection and analysis.

At the Internal Revenue Service, the tax filing deadline remained April 18 — delayed three days because of a local holiday in Washington. Tax audits, however, would be suspended if there were a shutdown.

The IRS wouldn't process paper returns during a shutdown. Those expecting a refund should file their returns electronically and ask that the money be deposited directly into their bank accounts. Tax payments were welcome, though it was still unclear whether help lines for taxpayers would be staffed.

Social Security payments would continue to be delivered, and applications for benefits would continue to be processed, Social Security Commissioner Michael Astrue said.

Astrue said Social Security headquarters and regional offices would be closed. Some limited services would still be available at field offices, but the details were still being worked out, he said.
Medicare would still pay medical claims for its 48 million recipients, who are mainly seniors but also several million younger people who are permanently disabled or have kidney failure.

Payments to doctors, hospitals and other service providers could be delayed, however, should a shutdown continue for several months.

At the National Institutes of Health, groundbreaking medical research would experience a disruption. Patients already being treated at the NIH's famed hospital in Bethesda, Md., would continue to get that care, but new patients could not be admitted. Likewise, no new studies of drugs or other treatments could begin.

The Federal Housing Administration, which guarantees about 30 percent of home mortgages, would stop guaranteeing loans. The issuance of government backed loans to small businesses would be suspended, according to the White House.

The Obama administration said the impact on the housing market would be more severe than in 1995, the last time there was a government shutdown. The Federal Housing Administration accounts for 30 percent of the mortgage market, nearly three times the amount 16 years ago.
The nation's 15,700 air traffic controllers would keep working, as would many of the Federal Aviation Administration's 6,100 technicians who install and maintain the equipment for the nation's air traffic control system.

FAA inspectors who oversee airlines' compliance with safety regulations probably would continue to be at work. But it was unclear Wednesday whether the safety inspectors assigned to aircraft manufacturers would be told to stay on the job. Support personnel at the agency would be told to stay home.

Almost all of the Federal Transit Administration would close and that means local transit agencies would have to wait longer to get federal aid. Most of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, which issues auto recalls and makes grants to states for safety campaigns, would also close.

Operation of the International Space Station would be unaffected. NASA's Mission Control in Houston would continue to work around the clock to keep watch.

But it was unclear what impact there might be on preparations for the final two space shuttle missions, said NASA spokesman Bob Jacobs. Endeavour is due to lift off April 29, Atlantis on June 28.

Among other consequences cited by the administration:

_The Environmental Protection Agency would cease issuing permits and stop reviewing environmental impact statements, which would slow the approval of projects.

_Most government websites would not be updated, unless they were deemed essential.

_Federal courts would be unable to hear cases as clerks, stenographers, bailiffs, security guards and other employees would not be at work.

Associated Press writers Lolita Baldor, Anne Gearan, Joan Lowy, Lauran Neergaard, Stephen Ohlemacher, Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar and Brett Zongker in Washington and Marcia Dunn in Cape Canaveral contributed to this report.
 

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I received an email saying pay will be stopped on the 8th of this month if it is not passed. You want to see some low morale, I wouldn't want to be around any firebases on the 15th if dudes receive no pay due
 
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It's happened in the past, but Congress had to pass a bill authorizing the back pay.
 

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I bet the government gets paid on time

Senate passed a stand alone measure to prevent elected officials from collecting pay during a shut-down. House passed it as a rider on the CR which was rejected by the Senate. So they will collect a paycheck.
 

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Hmmm...so I'm TDY right now. Does this mean I can just put everything on my GTC? LMAO
 

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Senate passed a stand alone measure to prevent elected officials from collecting pay during a shut-down. House passed it as a rider on the CR which was rejected by the Senate. So they will collect a paycheck.

Round and round it goes, which means I'm not going to. Watch what el presidente veto's next, it won't be gov getting paid, it will be warriors getting paid. Our founding fathers (most of who fought in the revolution in one capacity or another) would be so fucking proud right now. Big Mac anyone?
 

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How about the elected assholes send up something that ONLY addresses the troops getting paid without all their political garbage included? They attach their agenda to a bill that would let the mil get paid during this in order to continue their bullshit. Only our wonderful elected officials will be getting paid (along with those who are paid out of non-appropriated funds).

It is about time that something is passed that states the goverment will shutdown on Oct 1 if a budget is not in place. This CR bullshit is exactly that.
 

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The reason we are in this position is not the budget it's the riders. 19 riders alone blocking the EPA from regulating all kinds of pollution from mercury to green house gases. Another rider is trying to defund Planned Parenthood plus some additional riders.

I'm not trying to be a dickhead and I think it's criminal the position this government is in. But they have been playing this game for more then a year and had 6 continuing resolutions. You can't remove the negative impacts of the government shutdown. They can't agree today with the threat of those negative impacts they sure as hell will never agree in the future if you remove those consequences. Let both sides go home and explain to all there constituents why the military men and women are getting screwed over because of bill riders and a few billion dollars in a 3.5 trillion dollar budget. If they think shutting it down is a win then explain it to everyone and not just play to there respective base voters.
 

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How about the elected assholes send up something that ONLY addresses the troops getting paid without all their political garbage included? They attach their agenda to a bill that would let the mil get paid during this in order to continue their bullshit. Only our wonderful elected officials will be getting paid (along with those who are paid out of non-appropriated funds).

It is about time that something is passed that states the goverment will shutdown on Oct 1 if a budget is not in place. This CR bullshit is exactly that.

Personally I don't think riders should be allowed at all. Also, the POTUS should have line-item veto. Every bill should be required to stand or fall on its own merits.
 

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Personally I don't think riders should be allowed at all. Also, the POTUS should have line-item veto. Every bill should be required to stand or fall on its own merits.

Agree.
Both sides are being dicks wrt the military.
House Dems could have put a military appropriations bill up but punted.
House republicans have pushed a spending cut on each CR (I agree with that), but they should have put the 2011 autorization up as a stand alone bill.
So my son gets fucked in the ass.
Thanks Barry.
 

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Personally I don't think riders should be allowed at all. Also, the POTUS should have line-item veto. Every bill should be required to stand or fall on its own merits.

I agree also, which, as you can tell from my profanity laden post, is how I feel!
 

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Agree.
Both sides are being dicks wrt the military.
House Dems could have put a military appropriations bill up but punted.
House republicans have pushed a spending cut on each CR (I agree with that), but they should have put the 2011 autorization up as a stand alone bill.
So my son gets fucked in the ass.
Thanks Barry.
1000 % agree. :mad:
 
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