Your 2024 Presidential Election Thread

[Marauder06]

Front page of MSN this morning.

Nope, no media bias here!

 

[Locksteady]

Found a fascinating quote on naturalized citizenship today.

"Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons." Jacob B. Howard, 1866. Bolded is mine for emphasis.

The quote is from Jacob B. Howard- the principal draftsman of the 14th. The intent, stated clearly- is that illegal immigrants (aliens) are not "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States and are not entitled to birthright citizenship.

Sen. Howard died 5 years after this quote, but he made the intent of the 14th very clear- if you're a foreigner or an alien, you're not entitled to birthright citizenship. In the 138 years since, this has somehow twisted into "if you cross the border and have a child then poof! You're an American."

ETA- forgot the sawce

Thanks for the link.

What is your take on what the author said below in your link about Senator Howard's clause? (bolded for emphasis)

Sen. Howard’s description of the only class of children born on U.S. soil who would not be U.S. citizens automatically at birth was merely a summary of the widely accepted understanding that children of foreign diplomats would not be birthright citizens. This is because of the legal fiction that diplomats, while physically present here, are sort of floating along in a little bubble of their home country—hence the concept of diplomatic immunity. Sen. Howard used the terms “foreigners” and “aliens” in the sentence quoted above to describe those “who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States.” If Howard were intending to list several categories of excluded persons (e.g., foreigners, aliens or families of diplomats) he could have said so. Instead, the language he used strongly suggests he was describing a single excluded class, limited to families of diplomats.

Also, for the record, I think a compelling case for adding conditions to birthright citizenship can be made without having to prove Howard's intent.

 

[RackMaster]

Who's heading to Mississippi to make some money? We could probably set up some good teams.

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[Marauder06]

I’m leaving SHOT right now, lol

 

[ThunderHorse]

The most racist people I've met are New England and New York Liberals...it's awesome that the Democrats have no understanding of how bad the last four years were.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1881765483621585097

Thanks for the link.

What is your take on what the author said below in your link about Senator Howard's clause? (bolded for emphasis)


Also, for the record, I think a compelling case for adding conditions to birthright citizenship can be made without having to prove Howard's intent.

Alien (law) - Wikipedia

Alien is a bit of a catch all term for anyone who is not a US citizen. In common law globally an alien would be someone without a country...so I guess that is a Palestinian. However under US we have several protectorates that negotiated so that their citizens would not become citizens, but they become Nationals. These people have legal status to work in the mainland without a visa, but cannot be citizens unless they go through the naturalization process. American Samoa is one of them.

 

[Box]

McConnell isn't just any turtle - he's become the stereotypical post turtle...

 

[Kraut783]

Mitch is still alive?

 

[TLDR20]

Can we get a first 100 days thread or a Trump presidency thread?

 

[Ooh-Rah]

Can we get a first 100 days thread or a Trump presidency thread?

Good call…this thread has run its course.

Standby for updated thread.

Thread 'The Trump Presidency 2.0'

Jan 20, 2025

Did anyone ever expect anything different?

The question is - what do those who are still trying to masquerade as "honest politicians" do about it?

If I was in a position to do so - I would trumpet from the highest mountain tops all of the things that these criminals have done under the mantle of "public servant" that led to a residential "pardon"

Pardoned for treason
Pardoned for espionage
Pardoned for perjury
Pardoned for more treason
Pardoned for violating Article 103b, 104, 106a, 107, 117, 131, 132, and 133
Pardoned for witness tampering
Pardoned for more perjury
Pardoned for fraud...

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