2017 Naval Officer Firing Thread...

[Ooh-Rah]

Well he's not fired yet, but if history is any indicator -

Officials: Navy cruiser ran aground near Japan

 

[Devildoc]

The Navy is the worst trying to enforce a zero-defects policy with ship CO's. Sure, they canned some Mark 1 Mod 0 Shitheads, but they have also cut adrift some really, really good officers.

But yeah, if history is any indicator, soon-to-be-retired Capt. Carrigan is packing his bags.

 

[TLDR20]

Not being in the Navy, and having no idea what it takes to con a ship, isn't it hard to run a ship aground these days? With charts, GPS, sonar and all that?

 

[amlove21]

Not being in the Navy, and having no idea what it takes to con a ship, isn't it hard to run a ship aground these days? With charts, GPS, sonar and all that?

My question as well.

 

[Devildoc]

I was not haze gray and underway in the real Navy, but I would imagine for 99% of waterways, yeah, they would be easily navigable. When I was in college I spent a summer helping a boat broker move boats up and down the intercoastal waterway on the east coast, there are some channels that change by the week because of tides and shifting sand. The charts are not printed fast enough to accommodate the changes. But we knew where those channels were and made corrections for them. I would imagine with charts + GPS + sonar + known hazards, it would be pretty hard to run a Navy ship aground.

 

[Gunz]

The story says the Antietam was in "high winds." A strong enough wind on the water will push your vessel around, even a big one. Engines, rudder, bow thrusters all have to compensate. The wind could very well have been a factor.

Nevertheless, Captain Carrigan, you are welcome at the VFW anytime and we will help you drown your troubles.

 

[Red Flag 1]

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[AWP]

A minesweeper (USS Guardian) ran aground on a reef off of the Philippines. The CO, XO, OOD, and QM of the watch were all relieved. The charts they used to navigate were off by miles, but the Navy concluded this was a preventable incident.

The Antietam's leadership is done. That's how the Navy rolls and guilt or innocence are irrelevant.

 

[Ooh-Rah]

The Antietam's leadership is done. That's how the Navy rolls and guilt or innocence are irrelevant.

And scene.

Cruiser skipper fired after Tokyo Bay grounding

 

[Red Flag 1]

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[Devildoc]

And scene.

Cruiser skipper fired after Tokyo Bay grounding

The Navy has always had a hard-on for zero-defects with captains....

I am surprised it took this long.

 

[Devildoc]

Slightly related, Scott Waddle, the former captain of the USS Greenville (which did an emergency blow and hit the Japanese trawler Ehime Maru in 2001), used to live locally, did a lecture circuit about his incident as well as the zero-defect philosophy of the Navy. I understand he still does lectures, and his talk is worth it.

 

[Ooh-Rah]

Slightly related, Scott Waddle, the former captain of the USS Greenville (which did an emergency blow and hit the Japanese trawler Ehime Maru in 2001), used to live locally, did a lecture circuit about his incident as well as the zero-defect philosophy of the Navy. I understand he still does lectures, and his talk is worth it.

I remember that. Would be a pretty interesting talk to listen to.

 

[Gunz]

He lost his ship on a three-hour tour and didn't get fired...

 

[Ooh-Rah]

"Hey little buddy, I think it's time you have the girls wash your special sock again!"

 

[Marauder06]

Slightly related, Scott Waddle, the former captain of the USS Greenville (which did an emergency blow and hit the Japanese trawler Ehime Maru in 2001), used to live locally, did a lecture circuit about his incident as well as the zero-defect philosophy of the Navy. I understand he still does lectures, and his talk is worth it.

That's interesting, I'd kind of like to hear him talk. But I don't think his canning was a result of the "zero defect" Navy. He made a series of mistakes that led to people getting killed. IMO he deserved to get fired.

 

[Devildoc]

That's interesting, is kind to hear him talk. But I don't think his canning was a result of the "zero defect" Navy. He made a series of mistakes that led to people getting killed. IMO he deserved to get fired.

Agreed, and he would agree with that assessment as well. But along with his talk about the incident with his boat he also spoke about the zero-defect leadership in the Navy. Two separate topics, and I may not have been clear about that.

 

[Gunz]

Agreed, and he would agree with that assessment as well. But along with his talk about the incident with his boat he also spoke about the zero-defect leadership in the Navy. Two separate topics, and I may not have been clear about that.

I also remember that incident quite well and I'm willing to bet, given his circumstances and motives--which I would think hold some measure of guilt and bitterness--that those topics are more closely related in his own mind than he would lead his audience to believe.

 

[AWP]

This thread was too quiet for too long, enter the USS Lake Champlain.

US Navy warship collides with South Korean fishing vessel off peninsula

A U.S. Navy warship from the Carl Vinson Strike Group collided with a South Korean fishing vessel in the Sea of Japan Tuesday, a U.S. defense official told Fox News.

There were no injures aboard USS Lake Champlain, a guided-missile cruiser, the official said.

 

[Topkick]

It was good to hear that the vessels could continue on with no injuries this time! I remember that USS Champlain incident. I remember thinking that 0ver 70 percent of the world is covered with ocean...just so happens that when a Submarine resurfaces, its hits another boat.