Active shooter - Navy Reserve Center in Chattanooga Tennessee

Yes, they should get it however there is no way in hell the USG will recognize what happened as an act of terror. Hell, FBI is still looking at this as a criminal matter!

"Some of the weapons were purchased legally and some may not have been. We will examine that," FBI Special Agent in Charge Ed Reinhold said, speaking at a news conference in Chattanooga hours after McCaul gave his briefing."

Putting our collective head in the sand won't make the boogey man man go away (nor will limited air strikes). Total war against the IS is the only thing they will understand.
 
It would seem to me, that the Ft. Hood casualties, and awards are now the standard, as @ Viper1 pointed out above; #6. This will happen again to unarmed active duty members of our military. I would like to see active duty military members, with a armed combat MOS, cleared to CCW; hell make it open carry for that matter. LEO's have that ability in many states, our military should have the same recognition. I can not help but believe, that this will happen again}:-).
 
Red Flag 1 said:
It would seem to me, that the Ft. Hood casualties, and awards are now the standard, as @ Viper1 pointed out above; #6. This will happen again to unarmed active duty members of our military. I would like to see active duty military members, with a armed combat MOS, cleared to CCW; hell make it open carry for that matter. LEO's have that ability in many states, our military should have the same recognition. I can not help but believe, that this will happen again}:-).
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LE has that ability throughout the CONUS and in American possessions e.g. the U.S. Virgin Islands and Guam. There is no reason qualified military personnel shouldn't have the same ability.
 
I'll bet that CBT will be a bitch. The DoD assume liability for armed members in public? I don't like to say "never" but some half-measure which takes years to enact and after more fatal incidents? I can see that as the "solution." We've also touched upon the military's dreadful approach to pistol usage. I think arming servicemembers will take years and have some rather stupid, stupid rules in place that minimize the effectiveness of any changes.

There's the right thing and then there's what we do...
 
So now it is being reported (Navy Times) that a Navy Lt. Cmdr and one of the Marines was armed (with personal firearms) and did shoot back. One of the Marines had a 9mm, it is not mentioned what the Naval officer was carrying.

LINK

A report was distributed among senior Navy leaders during the shooting's aftermath saying Lt. Cmdr. Timothy White, the support center's commanding officer, used his personal firearm to engage Abdulazeez, Navy Times has confirmed with four separate sources. A Navy official also confirmed Monday's Washington Post report indicating one of the slain Marines may have been carrying a 9mm Glock and possibly returned fire on the gunman.

The article mentions that Lt. Cmdr. White has not returned phone calls asking for interviews - shocking.

Question 1: Assuming that it was his own personal weapon, is he fucked (career wise at least)?

Question 2: If the Lt. Cmdr. and the Marine had been successful in stopping the shooter, (and the Marine had survived) - public opinion would be strongly 'pro', but I have to think that Uncle Sam would not be quite so pleased (at least internally)
 
What a hell of a position to be in. If those reports are true this will be an interesting litmus test for the idea of carrying concealed while in uniform.
 
Freefalling said:
What a hell of a position to be in. If those reports are true this will be an interesting litmus test for the idea of carrying concealed while in uniform.
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Anyone who carries concealed when they are not supposed (e.g. the bank) is, or at least should be, aware they will will have to explain themselves on the 1% chance things turn violent. It turns out this time it was for real.

I'm confident USG or law enforcement will not pursue legal punishment, however administrative retirement might be in the cards. Unfortunate indeed.
 
I'm seeing new info coming out about the 4 Marines engaging the shoot and trying to get him away from larger crowds of people - chasing him to a fenced in area where the Lt. Cmdr and one of the Marines shot at him - and where the 4 Marines were killed. Has anyone else heard this? I'm hesitant to provide the link as it is tied to some ultra conservative blog type site that I've not heard of and don't want to link the forum to it.

ETA - I found the same story on Boston Globe and feel better about posting link:

LINK TO BOSTON GLOBE STORY

Here is a quote from the article:

Some of the five servicemen who were fatally wounded effectively sacrificed themselves during the assault on Thursday, diverting the gunman away from a larger group of potential victims, according to a law enforcement official briefed on the investigation into the killings…

Maj. Gen. Paul W. Brier of the Marines said: “Our Marines reacted the way you would expect, rapidly going room to room, getting people to safety. After they had gotten to safety, some willingly ran back into the fight. All of us can be extremely proud of what our Marines did that day.”

Mr. Abdulazeez went out through the back of the building, Mr. Reinhold said, and into the fenced-in motor pool area, where “two service members attempted to provide cover and assist the military personnel attempting to get over the fence.”

It was there, he said, that four of the five victims were killed and that the police caught up to the gunman. In the shootout that followed, an officer was wounded, and Mr. Abdulazeez was killed.

Two weapons belonging to servicemen were found at the scene, according to the FBI, and “at least” one of them had been discharged.
 
Viper1 said:
Anyone who carries concealed when they are not supposed (e.g. the bank) is, or at least should be, aware they will will have to explain themselves on the 1% chance things turn violent. It turns out this time it was for real.

I'm confident USG or law enforcement will not pursue legal punishment, however administrative retirement might be in the cards. Unfortunate indeed.
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You can't carry in a bank in your neck of the woods? That blows.

The LCDR didn't break any state laws (at least, he wouldn't have in PA, and I believe TN is very similar), so no worries there. Now, whether his chain-of-command and/or the USAO (at the direction of AG Lynch) choose to prosecute on the federal level is a different story. But prosecutorial discretion exists, and this would be a very unpopular case with a low chance of a jury conviction.

I hope they leave the man in peace. I respect him (and the Marine who was armed) for getting into the fight.
 
We had a lot of LEO's carry while in the Reserves, helps when the Commander and 1SGT are also LEO.

State and Fed will leave him alone, military side might not...administratively, but you never know.
 

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