Active shooter - Navy Reserve Center in Chattanooga Tennessee

[DA SWO]

He broke the law! He should be punished. The fact that there was a shooting doesn't absolve him of being guilty of flat out ignoring regulations. You don't get to be on your OFP.

He violated policy.
Lots of service men and women violate policy, sometimes to take care of those they supervise.
That's the moral dilemma of being a supervisor, and why (when it was hard) Officers and NCO's get more money than those they supervise.

 

[TLDR20]

He violated policy.
Lots of service men and women violate policy, sometimes to take care of those they supervise.
That's the moral dilemma of being a supervisor, and why (when it was hard) Officers and NCO's get more money than those they supervise.

So disobeying a lawful order is breaking policy? Sweet. I guess we can all do whatever the fuck we want.

 

[Viper1]

He violated policy.
Lots of service men and women violate policy, sometimes to take care of those they supervise.
That's the moral dilemma of being a supervisor, and why (when it was hard) Officers and NCO's get more money than those they supervise.

As I said earlier...a knowing decision we all know we have to explain in the chance we are caught overtly breaking the rule. He took a chance carrying when it was against the rules. He'll have his chance to explain in court.

 

[AWP]

"Judged by twelve than carried by six" is not a catchy bumper sticker...

 

[DA SWO]

So disobeying a lawful order is breaking policy? Sweet. I guess we can all do whatever the fuck we want.

Happens every day, one of the reasons the UCMJ allows for a tiered trial/punishment system. LOA/LOC/Art 15/ Captain's Mast are all lesser form of punishment that can be administered in lieu of a CM.

Formal chage sheet is over kill and (IMO) over reaching.

 

[TLDR20]

Happens every day, one of the reasons the UCMJ allows for a tiered trial/punishment system. LOA/LOC/Art 15/ Captain's Mast are all lesser form of punishment that can be administered in lieu of a CM.

Formal chage sheet is over kill and (IMO) over reaching.

After the Fort Hood shooting MP's set out checkpoints and caught a ton of guys bringing concealed weapons onto Bragg. Those guys that had weapons caught the Green weenie the same as this guys should.

 

[racing_kitty]

After the Fort Hood shooting MP's set out checkpoints and caught a ton of guys bringing concealed weapons onto Bragg. Those guys that had weapons caught the Green weenie the same as this guys should.

Did the Green Weenie consist of a field grade Article 15 and all of the possibilities that come with same? Or were they court martialed, and paraded around by the local media? I think you're overlooking the point DaSWO was trying to make. Prosecutorial overreach is a real issue these days. Or are you perfectly accepting of maxing out everyone who steps out of line every single time, no matter the offense?

The guy took his chances, and now he's going to have to pay the house since he's rolled snake eyes. I'm not arguing that fact. I'd have to see the overall big picture with regards to his disciplinary history, leadership skills, etc. before I get on board with what appears to me to be your desire to fuck him so hard that his grandchildren have rape flashbacks.

 

[Grunt]

If he has to pay the piper for his violations...that is fine. I just don't want him to become the "issue" and we (not necessarily us here) forget why he was shooting.

I don't want him to become the focus and the world forget the bad guy who caused this.

 

[Salt USMC]

Allen West reporting that the Navy is charging the Lt. Commander. He posted this today and I have yet to find any additional mainstream sources (CNN, Networks, Fox) although I'd expect Fox to jump on this pretty quick.

What’s happening to this heroic Navy officer from the Chattanooga shooting will make your blood BOIL - Allen B. West - AllenBWest.com

Surprise, surprise. Allen West is full of shit once again!

"(Prosecution) is not in the works. We have no plans to press charges,"
Is a Navy officer who shot at the Chattanooga shooter facing charges?

The story about what’s happening to a Navy officer "will make your blood boil," professes a Aug. 1 headline on the blog of former Rep. Allen West, R-Fla., a retired Army lieutenant colonel

It stems from the July 16, 2015, shooting in Chattanooga, in which a gunman, Muhammad Abdulazeez, began firing at two military facilities, killing four Marines and a Navy sailor. During the onslaught, the commanding officer at the Navy Operational Support Center in Chattanooga used his personal firearm to fire back at Abdulazeez, according to Navy leaders and the officer himself.
While some supporters are circulating a petition to honor the actions of the officer, Lt. Cmdr. Timothy White, West said that the Navy is prosecuting him for using his gun.
"Ladies and gents, resulting from the text message I received yesterday, I can confirm that the United States Navy is bringing charges against Lt. Cmdr. Timothy White for illegally discharging a firearm on federal property," West wrote.
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"I can tell you definitively it’s not true," Navy spokesman Lieutenant Junior Grade Johnny Michael told PolitiFact.

Michael said an investigation into all aspects of the shooting is under way and is far from finished, so no charges are pending or even being seriously considered at this point.
"(Prosecution) is not in the works. We have no plans to press charges," Michael said, declining to speculate further about the course of the investigation.

Now, I know that this doesn't preclude the Navy from charging LtCmdr. White at a later date, but it directly flies in the face of West's assertion that "...the United States Navy is bringing charges against Lt. Cmdr Timothy White for illegally discharging a firearm on federal property".

At this point, Allen West has been wrong on SO MANY THINGS that he could tell me his name and I would still question it.

 

[DA SWO]

Surprise, surprise. Allen West is full of shit once again!

"(Prosecution) is not in the works. We have no plans to press charges,"
Is a Navy officer who shot at the Chattanooga shooter facing charges?


Now, I know that this doesn't preclude the Navy from charging LtCmdr. White at a later date, but it directly flies in the face of West's assertion that "...the United States Navy is bringing charges against Lt. Cmdr Timothy White for illegally discharging a firearm on federal property".

At this point, Allen West has been wrong on SO MANY THINGS that he could tell me his name and I would still question it.

Agreed with your post, but his story generated a lot of pushback and that influences the ball-less wonders running the show.