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Great thread
SEALs are getting involved in the "persistent enagement" side of SOF as much as they can.
Language is becoming part of their pipeline and they also created "Anchor Teams", small teams of experienced SEALs that will specialise for years in a particular country and deploy there more than once in their career.
MARSOC has been moving in the same direction, almost since inception.
It seems that the "by through with" aspect of SOF, as exemplified by the SF, is gaining traction (or maybe becoming prominent) in most SOF elements these days.
The question I would like to ask is, do you thing that mnaybe the pendulum is swinging too much in this direction nowadays?
I mean how about people that joined or will join the SEALs or MARSOC and are not really fond of working with natives, surrogates, etc.
And the qualities needed to be an advisor/trainer/diplomat, do they really apply to a hard-charging but young SEAL or Marine?
Posse Commitatus was pretty much thrown out the window when the NDAA 2012 was signed into law.
SEALs are getting involved in the "persistent enagement" side of SOF as much as they can.
Language is becoming part of their pipeline and they also created "Anchor Teams", small teams of experienced SEALs that will specialise for years in a particular country and deploy there more than once in their career.
MARSOC has been moving in the same direction, almost since inception.
It seems that the "by through with" aspect of SOF, as exemplified by the SF, is gaining traction (or maybe becoming prominent) in most SOF elements these days.
The question I would like to ask is, do you thing that mnaybe the pendulum is swinging too much in this direction nowadays?
I mean how about people that joined or will join the SEALs or MARSOC and are not really fond of working with natives, surrogates, etc.
And the qualities needed to be an advisor/trainer/diplomat, do they really apply to a hard-charging but young SEAL or Marine?
And the qualities needed to be an advisor/trainer/diplomat, do they really apply to a hard-charging but young SEAL or Marine?
In the LA riots and the others mentioned, incidents like that there is a bit of a fuzzy line in regards to that and PC, but PC states troops can be used in that sort of a scenario if it fits within the provisions of the act (extreme civil unrest) and at the express order of the president. Not to mention the governor is usually the one to ask for this if he feels the NG troops under his command cannot handle the situation without help.
Plus we all know the 1960's and 70's were times in which there was massive social and political upheaval, and sadly little things like the law could be trampled on in times like that. PC tends to be something that prevents a police state not the suppression of mass rioting by the people.
Could you cite your sources?
MARSOC is actualy one of the only major SOF units that you cannot go into straight off the street right now. So, I don't think they quite fit into that category.
Not really. The NDAA pretty much acknowledged the homeland was a battlefield allowing the use of Federal troops when deemed necessary by the President. That category of individual was also left very vague. It was written in plain English.Not quite. The NDAA allows detainment into military facilities of the individuals that fit the category they laid out, doesn't allow troops to actually go busting in doors in America and grab people. Also hasn't given em permission to start posting federal troops on the streets and rounding people up....yet.
I'm a history major and I seem to recall at least one famous incident involving federal troops entering a city to restore law....hmmm what was that? Oh right, the draft riots of NYC in 1863. Just one SMALL example of why PS is a good idea. It's not the most infamous example but the first of many that comes to mind. There was a REASON why Roman troops were not allowed within the city walls of Rome itself after the end of Caesar's rule, crossing the Rubicon anyone?
NSW publishes an official magazine called "ETHOS" you can find it here . Then, download issue 12 ( Jan-March 2011) and check pages 14 -17. Its about Language and on page 17 Anchor Teams. All info is OPSEC cleared and in the public domain.
For Anchor Teams, if you google it as SEAL "Anchor Teams" you can find some more info
I agree, but what the requirements were in the past for SF have no bearing on the fact that MARSOC isn't a bunch of young recon bubba's running around. Also, an E-3 in the USMC is not the same as an E-3 in the Army. The USMC has E-3 team leaders and E-4 squad leaders at times. I have even seen an E-5 PL.
This actually works in reverse. A young 18x could grow up doing non-kinetic things and then make the hop to CAG and suddenly be doing nothing, but DA. It is interesting that the Army doesn't really have a place for someone that wants to strictly 'speak 5.56' at a SOF-level unless you started out there. I think that's part of the problem with SF getting some 'meatheads.' It's possible that the 75th will get NCO heavy in the future and possibly fix this. I know it's been talked about by the head honchos over there.
What I am getting at is that maybe it would be better to have a ladder concept where someone could start from one level of SOF requiring some hard charging attributes and ( if he is capable) be permitted to gradually evolve into another level requiring more experience, maturity, non kinetic things in general.
It's possible that the 75th will get NCO heavy in the future and possibly fix this. I know it's been talked about by the head honchos over there.
I guess it comes down to...if you want to do sexy DA stuff in a special operations capacity, then join the branch that alows you to do that.
Remember, not everyone wants to do UW/FID, but some of those guys end up in units whose main mission is UW/FID.
I will use myself as an example. I wanted to do cool guy DA stuff, I researched ever SOF unit and every branch of service, and settled on a goal of wanting to be a Ranger. If guys don't do their own research and as a result don't have the opportunities to do the stuff they want to do, well, then that is on them.
Also remember...units want to maintain relevance...and right now it seems as though the pendelum is swinging in the UW/FID direction, so now I think units are trying to advertise their capability in that arena.
In my personal opinion, and please don't take it as any more than that, I think we run into problems when units try to be good at EVERYTHING and chase after whatever is the "in" thing to be good at the moment.