Bombs sent to Obama, Clinton; explosives scare at CNN
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Now that several days have elapsed, from a LE standpoint, what has me absolutely perplexed is the amount of info posted on media with regards to evidence...e.g. info, specifics etc. Particularly troubling to me are the pictures of the "Live" device(s) taken. Later on down the road maybe, but as early on when they were released?
Most, if not all agencies I'm aware of, would be locked down and carefully guarded with the amount of info released during an ongoing investigation, especially one of this magnitude.
Most, if not all agencies I'm aware of, would be locked down and carefully guarded with the amount of info released during an ongoing investigation, especially one of this magnitude.
Inert bombs? (dusts off pedantic crab) Here we go, kids....
When you describe those devices as inert, that implies that it was deliberately rendered in a state that would not allow functioning as designed. Given that there was energetic material present, the devices were not inert. Yes, it was a shit energetic that would most likely only have deflagrated and only with outside help from a secondary initiation source than what was present in the device. But the device certainly was not inert.
A hoax device can have all kinds of parts in it that would not work at all, cobbled together into something that half-assed resembles an explosive device. A good example that comes from my first hand experience was a fire extinguisher that was wedged underneath a local national’s vehicle, and had what appeared to be an initiation package attached to the outside. However, there was no energetic filler of any kind, and the possible initiation package wasn’t wired up to do anything except sit there.
Another good example of a hoax that would stand out to those of us with deployment experience outside the wire is the comealong. You know, the barely-hidden bucket with lots of tape that looks like it could be a bomb that drives you towards where the real bomb is set for either VO or command det in your safe area.
These devices had a weak ass energetic filler, an inadequate power supply, inadequate components, and an ineffective time piece that wouldn’t have done shit for a safe separation time or initiator. That explosive train was assembled, but it was never going to leave the station. It’s not what I would define as inert, so that leaves hoax or failure to function as designed. That’s largely going to be determined by knowledge and intent.
If he knew he was putting together a garbage device, and all he was going to do was scare some folks, then you could say it was a hoax device.
If he had appreciable skills and used a bridge wire that was just a few millimeters too thick, then it definitely failed to function as designed.
If he just had some photocopied blueprint from some phamplet called “Pipebombs For Dummies,” scrounged up the parts not understanding the science behind the device, and had every of properly using his Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch, then it’s still a failure to function as designed. His device would believably fall into the “elaborate hoax” category if it were deployed by a smarter human being.
Instead, it was sent out by a guy with mental issues and a record of making threats. He wasn’t smart enough to realize his shit wouldn’t work, and probably is writing Wile E. Coyote about getting a refund on the blueprints as we speak.
Weaponized stupidity at its finest.
When you describe those devices as inert, that implies that it was deliberately rendered in a state that would not allow functioning as designed. Given that there was energetic material present, the devices were not inert. Yes, it was a shit energetic that would most likely only have deflagrated and only with outside help from a secondary initiation source than what was present in the device. But the device certainly was not inert.
A hoax device can have all kinds of parts in it that would not work at all, cobbled together into something that half-assed resembles an explosive device. A good example that comes from my first hand experience was a fire extinguisher that was wedged underneath a local national’s vehicle, and had what appeared to be an initiation package attached to the outside. However, there was no energetic filler of any kind, and the possible initiation package wasn’t wired up to do anything except sit there.
Another good example of a hoax that would stand out to those of us with deployment experience outside the wire is the comealong. You know, the barely-hidden bucket with lots of tape that looks like it could be a bomb that drives you towards where the real bomb is set for either VO or command det in your safe area.
These devices had a weak ass energetic filler, an inadequate power supply, inadequate components, and an ineffective time piece that wouldn’t have done shit for a safe separation time or initiator. That explosive train was assembled, but it was never going to leave the station. It’s not what I would define as inert, so that leaves hoax or failure to function as designed. That’s largely going to be determined by knowledge and intent.
If he knew he was putting together a garbage device, and all he was going to do was scare some folks, then you could say it was a hoax device.
If he had appreciable skills and used a bridge wire that was just a few millimeters too thick, then it definitely failed to function as designed.
If he just had some photocopied blueprint from some phamplet called “Pipebombs For Dummies,” scrounged up the parts not understanding the science behind the device, and had every of properly using his Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch, then it’s still a failure to function as designed. His device would believably fall into the “elaborate hoax” category if it were deployed by a smarter human being.
Instead, it was sent out by a guy with mental issues and a record of making threats. He wasn’t smart enough to realize his shit wouldn’t work, and probably is writing Wile E. Coyote about getting a refund on the blueprints as we speak.
Weaponized stupidity at its finest.
Kraut783
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Hard agree...I hate it when we (law enforcement) release too much information. Unfortunately...we have succumbed to the media's news cycle...there has to be a way to limit this....
Lots of things make sense to the mentally ill that don't to the sane.
Topkick
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Well stated. It's a weird situation but I'm going with this for now.
The more *politicized* that LE administrators become, the more they want to throw stuff out there that shouldn't be. Not only that, but they put stuff out there *way* too early. It's just starting. They are becoming more PC by the day and it will only get worse from here on out.
I won’t argue that this cat was even in the same galaxy as sane. I just don’t think he’s crazy enough to beat these charges like he was the second John Hinckley.
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Ahmed Mohamed clock incident - Wikipedia
Being bullied by school teachers because of islam, impress these infidel teachers with a pencil box clock/ hoax bomb. Complete assembly is under half an hour. Everyone will definitely quit bullying you after all the lawsuits you will file.
Not much of a fan for double standards. An islamaphobia victim gets a trip to the White House and an award, one nutcase fringe dweller possibly gets a trip to prison and silver bracelets. Difference is boy vs grown man, and how vocal parts of society feel obligated to be apologetic to one group of people over another, both pulled the same stunt essentially, but the adult has to conform to a civilized society or be judged by his peers for his actions, where a boy is not.
Being bullied by school teachers because of islam, impress these infidel teachers with a pencil box clock/ hoax bomb. Complete assembly is under half an hour. Everyone will definitely quit bullying you after all the lawsuits you will file.
Not much of a fan for double standards. An islamaphobia victim gets a trip to the White House and an award, one nutcase fringe dweller possibly gets a trip to prison and silver bracelets. Difference is boy vs grown man, and how vocal parts of society feel obligated to be apologetic to one group of people over another, both pulled the same stunt essentially, but the adult has to conform to a civilized society or be judged by his peers for his actions, where a boy is not.
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Are you taking the piss?
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What are you trying to say? Seriously.
Said douche bag was not charged with terrorism. Why? Because according to the Army, “"We have not found any links to terrorism, or any international or domestic extremist groups at this time,” Chris Grey, a spokesman for the United States Army Criminal Investigation Command, told reporters."
We all know that to be a lie. So yes, courtesy of the Army, fuckstick was given a pass on charges of terrorist.
I'm hopeful that this idiot won't get the same treatment (aside from living the rest of his life in prison).
We all know that to be a lie. So yes, courtesy of the Army, fuckstick was given a pass on charges of terrorist.
I'm hopeful that this idiot won't get the same treatment (aside from living the rest of his life in prison).
Kraut783
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He wasn't charged with Terrorism because they wanted to keep the investigation and prosecution in the military...if he was charged with Terrorism offenses then the FBI would have taken over the investigation and it would have been tried in civilian federal court. Military wanted to prosecute him.
I like that he is at Leavenworth waiting for his death sentence.
Kraut783
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I am hoping Pittsburgh PD is also pursuing charges on him for the attempted murder of the Police Officers shot. Let the Feds do the hate crime thing, but keep the other investigation and pending charges in your back pocket.
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The Atlantic did a write-up on just this issue. Basically, the Government doesn't like to call "domestic terrorism" on purely homegrown actors; they want them to be attached to outside terror groups.
If you're a unhinged and stupid it may make perfect sense. He has an extended rap sheet, he's bankrupt and describes himself as a "promoter for male strip shows." We are not talking Robert J. Oppenheimer here.
The guy is living in a fucking van.
As for "inert", see @racing_kitty post #124 above.
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Kraut783
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It really depends on why someone does something to be defined by either Domestic or International Terrorism. You can have no ISIS connections, but the person was INSPIRED by ISIS to be charged with IT charges. (The following is from the FBI website.)
International terrorism: Perpetrated by individuals and/or groups inspired by or associated with designated foreign terrorist organizations or nations (state-sponsored).
-for example, the December 2, 2015 shooting in San Bernardino, CA, that killed 14 people and wounded 22 which involved a married couple who radicalized for some time prior to the attack and were inspired by multiple extremist ideologies and foreign terrorist organizations.
- Homegrown Violent Extremists (HVEs): The FBI, however, can’t focus solely on the terrorist threat emanating from overseas—they must identify those sympathizers who have radicalized and become HVEs within the U.S. and aspire to attack our nation from within. HVEs are defined by the Bureau as global-jihad-inspired individuals who are based in the U.S., have been radicalized primarily in the U.S., and are not directly collaborating with a foreign terrorist organization.
Domestic terrorism: Perpetrated by individuals and/or groups inspired by or associated with primarily U.S.-based movements that espouse extremist ideologies of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature.
-for example, the June 8, 2014 Las Vegas shooting, during which two police officers inside a restaurant were killed in an ambush-style attack, which was committed by a married couple who held anti-government views and who intended to use the shooting to start a revolution.
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