California Shooting.

Freefalling said:
I think the good AG needs to understand a hard, cold truth:

"Hate speech" is Constitutionally protected.

I thought this was pretty good:
The Attorney General on speech that ‘edges towards violence’ and ‘acts of anti-Muslim hatred, including rhetoric’
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Correct. "I hate all Muslims," is Constitutional speech. "I'm going to kill all Muslims I see and you should too," is not. This is where we draw the line between morons like the Westboro Baptist 'Church' and speech that truly does indicate a threat. All speech is not protected, but I suspect that Madam A.G. intends to move the line way left of center on this one. Even if she doesn't, the fact she put it out there can have an unconstitutional chilling effect on free speech in the public square.

Is it 2016 yet?
 
policemedic said:
Correct. "I hate all Muslims" is Constitutional speech. "I'm going to kill all Muslims I see and you should too," is not. This is where we draw the line between morons like the Westboro Baptist 'Church' and speech that truly does indicate a threat. All speech is not protected, but I suspect that Madam A.G. intends to move the line way left of center on this one. Even if she doesn't, the fact she put it out there can have an unconstitutional chilling effect on free speech in the public square.

Is it 2016 yet?
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Isn't "hate speech" not protected under the First Amendment?

It seems to me these shooters have/had a degree of protection to say whet they wanted via social media.
 
Marine0311 said:
Isn't "hate speech" not protected under the First Amendment?

It seems to me these shooters have/had a degree of protection to say whet they wanted via social media.
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It is to a degree. Westboro is the best example. My guys have had to staff details to protect them while they spewed their filth. That said, not everything is protected.
 
policemedic said:
It is to a degree. Westboro is the best example. My guys have had to staff details to protect them while they spewed their filth. That said, not everything is protected.
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So what people say on, let's say FB is protected if they are preaching violence and or talking about going on a killing spree?
 
policemedic said:
Correct. "I hate all Muslims," is Constitutional speech. "I'm going to kill all Muslims I see and you should too," is not. This is where we draw the line between morons like the Westboro Baptist 'Church' and speech that truly does indicate a threat. All speech is not protected, but I suspect that Madam A.G. intends to move the line way left of center on this one. Even if she doesn't, the fact she put it out there can have an unconstitutional chilling effect on free speech in the public square.

Is it 2016 yet?
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She will have to explain why Sinister Farrakhan can call for his followers to kill whites.
 
Marine0311 said:
So what people say on, let's say FB is protected if they are preaching violence and or talking about going on a killing spree?
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Nope. Say something like, "Kill all Marines, starting with Marine0311 who lives in XXXX! Do it for the spaghetti monster!" on Facebook and not only have you engaged in speech not protected by the 1st Amendment but several state and federal (because you used the interwebz) crimes.

On the other hand, if you say something like, "Marines travel on Navy ships so the sailors have someone uglier than they are to dance with," you're just telling the truth :ROFLMAO:.
 
RackMaster said:
Yup and Quebec is starting a new long gun registry.
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In other words, re-initiating an anti-gun proposal that an anti-gun Canadian national government decided was an ineffective waste of resources? Talk about doubling down on stupid.
 
DA SWO said:
Can I not hire anyone who says they are a devout Muslim?
Seriously, when the McVaes pop up Christians are quick to point out that these individuals are not following Christ's words; yet a Muslim Terrorist is described as devout (which also implies pius).
This also implies (despite claims contrary) that their actions are in ccordance with their scripture.



I hope survivors have a lawyer who can file an emergency order freezing their assets for future forfeiture.
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Regarding radical Christians, the New Testament teaches and is firmly based on forgiveness and love. There is not one mainstream widely accepted Christian group that advocates violence. Devout Christians "turn the other cheek".

Regarding Islam, read this paper, written by Adullah Azzam, the father of the modern jihadist movement. Please note how often it QUOTES the Quran and Azzam's degree in Sharia.

Religioscope - Document - Azzam - Defence of the Muslim Lands - 1

This little gem was written by a Paki BG but cites Quran verses and religious leaders as basis for jihad.

http://strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pubs/parameters/Articles/06winter/win-ess.pdf
 
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policemedic said:
Correct. "I hate all Muslims," is Constitutional speech. "I'm going to kill all Muslims I see and you should too," is not. This is where we draw the line between morons like the Westboro Baptist 'Church' and speech that truly does indicate a threat. All speech is not protected, but I suspect that Madam A.G. intends to move the line way left of center on this one. Even if she doesn't, the fact she put it out there can have an unconstitutional chilling effect on free speech in the public square.

Is it 2016 yet?
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Well, Jerimah Wright isn't preaching hate either?

 
In the Bizarro World you have to be nice and respectful to the people who want to kill you and your children and your ancestors and your dog and burn your house to the fucking ground.

In the Bizarro World when somebody kills 3,000 people with boxcutters and hijacked jetliners, when somebody blows up the Boston Marathon with a home-made bomb, when somebody damn near paralyzes the nation with powdered anthrax and some stamps, when the majority of your casualties from two wars against Muslim jihadists are from improvised explosive devices...your formula to stop terrorism is more gun control.

Good luck with that.
 
policemedic said:
Merde.

Soon I won't even be able to think of guns when I visit my hometown.
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Not even in French or the Gestapo will send you to the gulags.

Totentanz said:
In other words, re-initiating an anti-gun proposal that an anti-gun Canadian national government decided was an ineffective waste of resources? Talk about doubling down on stupid.
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Exactly. And then the "Shiny Pony" PM had "getting assault weapons and handguns off the streets" in the Throne speech. So I'm going to need to redirect my savings into buying new guns. ;-)
 

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