California Banning the sale of Gas Powered Automobiles

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California on Thursday is expected to put into effect its sweeping plan to prohibit the sale of new gasoline-powered cars by 2035, a groundbreaking move that could have major effects on the effort to fight climate change and accelerate a global transition toward electric vehicles.

California to Ban the Sale of New Gasoline Cars

But wait... Isn't California the state that doesn't have enough power to keep the lights on?

California energy officials warned the state may be at risk of blackouts for the next three summers due to power supply shortages and extreme weather.

The state could be short about 1,700 megawatts this summer -- enough power for about 1.3 million homes - and that gap may widen to about 1,800 megawatts by 2025, officials said Friday during a media call. These forecasts don’t include other factors such as extreme regional heat waves or wildfires that can take down power lines, they said.

California Warns of Possible Summer Blackouts as Power Runs Low

I can hear the calls now.. "Sorry boss, I can't come in to work today. The blackout didn't let me charge my car. What? No, I can't work remotely, the power is off in the house.

Seriously, I get the whole pollution thing, and while I don't agree with the whole climate change agenda I can understand the fear and the desire to do something about it. What I don't get is how this is a solution. Some facts that the CA government should know before enacting this type of radical agenda.

 

[AWP]

If only we had more government, just think about how different we could live our lives.

 

[RackMaster]

Canada hasn't made it law yet but it's an official pledge. So only a matter of time, likely after the next election; if Trudeau wins again. The only exception is for commercial and agriculture. Talk about forcing the green conversion. The market didn't want it, so they have to force it.

The unintended consequences of banning gas-powered cars by 2035

 

[TLDR20]

California to Ban the Sale of New Gasoline Cars

But wait... Isn't California the state that doesn't have enough power to keep the lights on?

California Warns of Possible Summer Blackouts as Power Runs Low

I can hear the calls now.. "Sorry boss, I can't come in to work today. The blackout didn't let me charge my car. What? No, I can't work remotely, the power is off in the house.

Seriously, I get the whole pollution thing, and while I don't agree with the whole climate change agenda I can understand the fear and the desire to do something about it. What I don't get is how this is a solution. Some facts that the CA government should know before enacting this type of radical agenda.

A few years ago the government required the average MPG per fleet increase. Trump rolled that back, to 22 I think is the standard, unless it has been increased again. A fortunate byproduct is that there is much benefit in hybrid technology, and hybrid cars are more affordable and an option on most makes and models, the bad part is the rise in crossovers.

The market does support an increase in MPG, pretty consistently. I’m all for cars, I love them, I drive a diesel myself, and my other car is what some would consider on the sportier side.

Fleet average increases are good imo. I don’t think requiring electric is realistic by the point they want it. There are too many limitations on travel that could arise. They are likely hoping for some breakthrough, but hope is not a plan.

 

[JedisonsDad]

California is about to create a black market for fake CARB cars from the surrounding states, and drive the used car market through the roof.

 

[R.Caerbannog]

Just another reminder that the people making up these laws hate us and want us dead. California is an excellent case study in govt corruption and criminally incompetent mismanagement.

As a state, California has more resources and people available to it than a small country and yet is a complete shit show.

 

[TLDR20]

Just another reminder that the people making up these laws hate us and want us dead. California is an excellent case study in govt corruption and criminally incompetent mismanagement.

As a state, California has more resources and people available to it than a small country and yet is a complete shit show.

EV cars is an example of the government wanting to kill you?

 

[SpitfireV]

The government wants less people paying taxes the sneaky fucks

 

[RackMaster]

EV cars is an example of the government wanting to kill you?

Although he should have explained his point, I'll give it to him. It's not an example, it's one of many factors; champagne socialist are ignorant to.
Canada is doing the exact same things. Simultaneously demonizing the oil and gas sector, scaring away investment. Meanwhile, forcing a replacement product that the market is not ready for, nor is the infrastructure. Toss in the fact that the majority of people in North America will never afford a new car, let alone an EV or plug-in hybrid. Add all of the other preventable issues that could alleviate much of the self induced inflation. People are going hungry and in colder climates, will have to choose between staying warm and eating.

 

[Gunz]

California invented the concept of lifestyle. For that reason alone they deserve all the earthquakes, mudslides, wildfires, Hollywood dipshits and stupid government legislation that comes their way.

 

[AMRUSMCR]

I'd prefer seeing large scale public & private investment in public transportation across the nation - upgrading older models in existing cities or implementing in cities that are car dependent, as well as investment in rapid transit from city to city and cross country. The technology is there for both rapid transit and solid local transit systems. The easier it is for people to get around without a car, the less driving they do.

 

[Blizzard]

This from the state where the CEO of the most popular EV brand on the market got so fed up, he moved his HQ from it. You can't make this stuff up.

 

[Deleted member 2517]

Although he should have explained his point, I'll give it to him. It's not an example, it's one of many factors; champagne socialist are ignorant to.
Canada is doing the exact same things. Simultaneously demonizing the oil and gas sector, scaring away investment. Meanwhile, forcing a replacement product that the market is not ready for, nor is the infrastructure. Toss in the fact that the majority of people in North America will never afford a new car, let alone an EV or plug-in hybrid. Add all of the other preventable issues that could alleviate much of the self induced inflation. People are going hungry and in colder climates, will have to choose between staying warm and eating.

I'd prefer seeing large scale public & private investment in public transportation across the nation - upgrading older models in existing cities or implementing in cities that are car dependent, as well as investment in rapid transit from city to city and cross country. The technology is there for both rapid transit and solid local transit systems. The easier it is for people to get around without a car, the less driving they do.

You see how they didn’t just make outlandish statements? You see how they laid out their points logically and with level heads? You- Cannonball- do better. And stop making @RackMaster translate your thoughts and emotions.

Just another reminder that the people making up these laws hate us and want us dead. California is an excellent case study in govt corruption and criminally incompetent mismanagement.

As a state, California has more resources and people available to it than a small country and yet is a complete shit show.

 

[Blizzard]

California invented the concept of lifestyle. For that reason alone they deserve all the earthquakes, mudslides, wildfires, Hollywood dipshits and stupid government legislation that comes their way.

I predict used car sales going through the roof in CA in 2035.

New businesses will set up shop in NV, register new ICE cars, then resell them as used cars at a markup to Californians.

 

[RackMaster]

Used car sales are already insane. Most cost more than new. The market is fucked now, give it a few year's.

 

[Dame]

California is about to create a black market for fake CARB cars from the surrounding states, and drive the used car market through the roof.

I predict used car sales going through the roof in CA in 2035.

New businesses will set up shop in NV, register new ICE cars, then resell them as used cars at a markup to Californians.

Yup. We were just talking about that yesterday. Might have to buy an RV cover or two so we can stock up on cars and park them out back for a bit.

 

[R.Caerbannog]

I'd prefer seeing large scale public & private investment in public transportation across the nation - upgrading older models in existing cities or implementing in cities that are car dependent, as well as investment in rapid transit from city to city and cross country. The technology is there for both rapid transit and solid local transit systems. The easier it is for people to get around without a car, the less driving they do.

The thought of more govt control over transportation kinda scares the crap outta me. In big cities, public transportation is a means of last resort as it's known to be dirty, violent, and serves as way of transporting criminal elements from one part of the city to the other. Public transport works in Europe and Asia, where people are concentrated in dense urban centers. The US not so much.

As silly as it sounds, I'd rather more people have vehicle access and internal combustion technology to keep improving. There's a joke somewhere about minivans having more torque than the muscle cars of the golden era. I can only wonder what better material sciences and engineering can do to make cars better, cheaper, and more efficient. There's more freedom this way.

 

[R.Caerbannog]

You see how they didn’t just make outlandish statements? You see how they laid out their points logically and with level heads? You- Cannonball- do better. And stop making @RackMaster translate your thoughts and emotions.

Yeah... you should learn to use the search function on the forum. I've actually made a similar case in the energy thread, wildfire thread, and many other threads here. (Govt corruption, mismanagement of resources, rising of aristocratic bureaucrat class, etc)

While witty retorts and silence seem to be your modus operandi, I'd suggest going back and reading a few years of posts with the benefit of hindsight. Might surprise yourself.

 

[Blizzard]

I'd prefer seeing large scale public & private investment in public transportation across the nation - upgrading older models in existing cities or implementing in cities that are car dependent, as well as investment in rapid transit from city to city and cross country. The technology is there for both rapid transit and solid local transit systems. The easier it is for people to get around without a car, the less driving they do.

Are you familiar with how the government operates at all? We actually have rapid transit options but the government is involved. Rail systems in particular are an archaic concept.

And who would fund this amazing fantasy?

Public transportation is really only viable in a handful of cities for a variety of reasons.

 

[Deleted member 2517]

Yeah... you should learn to use the search function on the forum. I've actually made a similar case in the energy thread, wildfire thread, and many other threads here. (Govt corruption, mismanagement of resources, rising of aristocratic bureaucrat class, etc)

While witty retorts and silence seem to be your modus operandi, I'd suggest going back and reading a few years of posts with the benefit of hindsight. Might surprise yourself.

So every time you post, everyone is supposed to spend 20 minutes combing over your old posts to find citations?

It’s almost like you don’t want to provide any facts to back up your claims, then cry “i AlReAdY pOsTeD tHeM, wItTy MaN!”

So with your logic- you can post anything, say “the sky is NOT blue.” When asked for proof, you can shield your self by hiding behind your supposed prior posts as evidence.

You may well have posted them, you may just be saying you did to be lazy and continue to try and spread your “alt right weaponized herpes mindset” without ever having to back up those “smooth brain” views.

So maybe just add some citations when you speak with your typical god-like authoritativeness.