Charlie Kirk shooting -

[The Quartermaster]

Chill part 2.

Can we get the other side to as well then? It works if both have been warned. Fair and impartial. I need to see the fair and impartial bit, good sir.

 

[TLDR20]

I am honestly unfamiliar with anything Charlie Kirk did outside of arguing with college kids. I don’t follow Turning Point or watch many of his videos unless they come across my feed. At no time have I said this is anything but a disgusting crime. It seems hyperbolic to be placing anything his death at the level of MLK.

 

[Ooh-Rah]

Can we get the other side to as well then? It works if both have been warned. Fair and impartial. I need to see the fair and impartial bit, good sir.

If you have a problem with a member’s post in this thread, report it. As far as fair and impartial, I’m afraid my judgement is the best you’re going to get.

 

[Topkick]

He was a positive change to re-instilling discourse on campuses that had been bastions of leftist fascism for years

I posted about this many times. I think our education system is our biggest problem. US universities have been leftist factories for years and a huge part of the division in the country. We need young, eloquent speaking guys like Charlie to push back against the 'I hate America' mentality being indoctrinated into students nationwide. This is a major setback.

 

[757]

I am honestly unfamiliar with anything Charlie Kirk did outside of arguing with college kids. I don’t follow Turning Point or watch many of his videos unless they come across my feed. At no time have I said this is anything but a disgusting crime. It seems hyperbolic to be placing anything his death at the level of MLK.

Then, with all due respect, why comment if you are unfamiliar with the subject matter???

 

[The Quartermaster]

If you have a problem with a member’s post in this thread, report it. As far as fair and impartial, I’m afraid my judgement is the best you’re going to get.

I'm not a rat, it goes against my integrity. And I'd rather discuss with the opposing member yet this person avoids answering questions repeatedly. If you or him feels I am out to play "gotcha" then you are both sadly mistaken. Avoiding the issue isn't bringing both sides to the table to work it out, it's in fact trying to stifle open communication. But stopping and avoidance is both bad because it sends a miscommunication that my arguments are correct and and the other is wrong.

Differences can and has caused growth. But that isn't happening here. But I am seeing a slight control of things to paint one as bad and the other not at fault, especially when the moderator is close in political alignments.

I am seeing in this very thread projections of hyperbole while conducting hyperbole to detract and take away from, and I have questions on why that is being done. They called it gaslighting in certain circles and in others, concern trolling. I'd like to know if this is true or not.

I digress, you have mod powers, and I do not. I still won't report and rat someone out, it could be unfairly used against me even if I was. Not sorry, I am having trust issues right now with this decision of yours to protect one side and silence the other. You have a good night as I am off for family time, if you disagree or want to discuss this more we can tomorrow.

 

[Blizzard]

Shocking, horrible, disgusting.

The most significant though? Charlie Kirk was an influencer. There have been multiple federal judges, a US Ambassador and a sitting congressman in the last 50 years. There are monthly school shootings in this country. This is murder, but it isn’t the most significant shooting in the last 30 days.

Hard disagree.

Name someone with more social influence/presence that was assassinated in this country in the last 50 years. I'll wait.

The only one I can think of would probably be John Lennon. It doesn't lesson any of the other deaths you mention, but, like it or not, those other events simply don't carry the significance of Charlie Kirk's assassination. A federal judge? Please. No one knows who they are. Kirk had 5.3M followers on X and 500,000 monthly podcast listeners. I get it, you're not in his target audience, but that doesn't lessen the facts. I didn't listen to his show, but I still understand his public presence and influence.

Charlie Kirk represented a significant voice in the conservative movement, especially for younger, college-age conservatives. As noted above, many young people liked and followed him. Look at the crowd at the event as evidence to this.

Even if some of the people who followed him didn't agree with him, they knew his relevance and likely respected his willingness to discuss topics - even in sometimes "hostile" territory, like college campuses.

His assassination was very public and very graphic. That will stay with many young people and followers for years to come. Even non-followers will remember this event.

So, no, it's hyperbole.

 

[Florida173]

The only one I can think of would probably be John Lennon. It doesn't lesson any of the other deaths you mention, but, like it or not, those other events simply don't carry the significance of Charlie Kirk's assassination. A federal judge? Please. No one knows who they are. Kirk had 5.3M followers on X and 500,000 monthly podcast listeners. I get it, you're not in his target audience, but that doesn't lessen the facts. I didn't listen to his show, but I still understand his public presence and influence.

Also founder and CEO of an almost $100 million non-profit organization.

 

[ThunderHorse]

Shocking, horrible, disgusting.

The most significant though? Charlie Kirk was an influencer. There have been multiple federal judges, a US Ambassador and a sitting congressman in the last 50 years. There are monthly school shootings in this country. This is murder, but it isn’t the most significant shooting in the last 30 days.

The rules require that I respond when I dislike a post. Outside of the two shipwrecks that tried to assassinate Trump. This is the most significant murder of the year, seconded by Iryna Zaruska.

Kirk was a conservative influencer, but he was also a free speech advocate. Murdering him is crossing a line that hasn't been crossed successfully in a very long time.

 

[Ooh-Rah]

@The Quartermaster - I had a multi paragraph semi-sarcastic response all written out, and then you went and mentioned “family time“ and it reminded me that there’s a man behind your keyboard.

If you want to accuse me of a political bias, I’m fine with that. It bothers me not one bit. I barely read most of the political threads anymore, I’ve become apathetic to pretty much all of it and just don’t care anymore. That said, I do pay attention enough to ensure that the conversations do not get out of control.

If I have any admitted bias, it is ensuring that those who have a more liberal (for lack of a better word) ideology can have a voice on this board without feeling piled upon for their opinions. Without getting into an unnecessarily long history lesson, that was not always the case here.

You seem like a fine fellow, reporting a post is not rattting anybody out. Reporting a post is simply saying, “ I have a problem with this post, would someone on the staff take a look”.

You said your peace, I’ve said mine. Let’s move on to the very unfortunate topic of this thread, and if you have anything else please feel free to send me a p.m.

 

[BlackSmokeRisinG]

My son posted this in the family snapchat yesterday while I was asleep. This guy's assassination made them sad, which makes me sad.

I only recognize him from the change my mind memes.

 

[TLDR20]

Then, with all due respect, why comment if you are unfamiliar with the subject matter???

Why post on a SOF board if you are t a SOF member? We can talk about a subject. We can have opinions even if they are stupid. I have come away from this with a more nuanced view of the situation that I wouldn’t have had if I didn’t post. See how that works out?

 

[TLDR20]

@The Quartermaster

I ignore your posts altogether, it is a setting you should look into.

 

[AWP]

While I'm going to cite two shootings of Conservatives, this post applies to anyone of any bent.

Trump and Kirk, both shot from a rooftop. Makes sense, right, the rooftop part? Height, line of sight and all of that.

In this day and age of reasonably inexpensive personal drones how in the hell do "we" not see some guy on a rooftop? Think about it, the amount of ground a drone can cover and the imagery available. I don't mean parking an MQ-9 overhead, a simple personal drone like a DJI or equivalent. Why aren't police departments and private security companies employing drones for overhead coverage?

One or two drones making laps around the venue and all of this goes away. "But what if they break or are jammed?" Simple, how much risk do you want to bear if that's the case, especially in light of yesterday's assassination? You can even hire someone to do it for a few hours. This isn't rocket surgery and the assassination was preventable.

Blue skies.

 

[Florida173]

Why post on a SOF board if you are t a SOF member? We can talk about a subject. We can have opinions even if they are stupid. I have come away from this with a more nuanced view of the situation that I wouldn’t have had if I didn’t post. See how that works out?

What a great story of growth and self reflection, or gaslighting.. honestly can't tell these days

 

[TLDR20]

What a great story of growth and self reflection, or gaslighting.. honestly can't tell these days

Ok.

I said something that I thought, which was that Charlie Kirk was an influencer who went to universities and “owned the libs”. That was what I knew him for. Him being killed did not strike me as being an event in line with MLK Jr’s assassination. You all gave me reasons you think it is. I understand the opposite position better than I did. That is how conversations work.

 

[Marauder06]

There sure is a lot of unnecessary dickishness going on in this thread right now.

 

[RackMaster]

If this is true, Andy Ngo's work on the coordinated violence among the Trans community; needs wider distribution.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1966118431511433267

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The Violent Ideology and Lies Fueling Trans Militancy

 

[Devildoc]

@TLDR20 , I have given your comments some thought. First, I don't care if you disagree. Sometimes I hold unpopular positions, and if I had a nickel for every time someone disagreed I'd have....well, a lot of nickels. Weirdly and very ironically, this is foundational to Kirk's presence: free speech and dialogue. I like to think a lot of us disagree with others on here, but none of us have resorted to today's version of "I'm taking my ball home" by shooting another member. I often disagree with your opinions, and that's OK. I usually forget about it 10 minutes after it happened, and I'd still have a beer with you.

Second, I am not comparing Kirk and MLK. We aren't going to have another pointless holiday named for him, a street in every hood, or schools.

But I think you are seeing what I contend: This event is a watershed moment. He was more than some kid (young enough to be my son, so I can say that) debating libs; others more prescient in the social medial here have outlined his social media bona fides and his influence. Like MLK he moved people off the needle, off the X. He made people think. He was into non-violent discourse and debate. He wanted a better world. He walked into evil and would call it out. People followed him, he was a natural leader. He was martyred for his beliefs. As someone already said on here, there is no more "moderate republican/conservative." This has moved them further right.

More than the other shootings you mentioned, this event is a magnitude of a million higher in terms of fallout and ramifications. And I have no idea, not a clue, what is going to happen.

 

[Devildoc]

There sure is a lot of unnecessary dickishness going on in this thread right now.

People who normally don't have feelings are having feelings.