Topkick
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I usually disagree with him, LOL. We've had our moments. But I agree that its not a MLK level event. Everyone has an opinion and I'm not even sure why that opinion provoked so much emotion.
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Post of the week.
Aside from this video, I just gotta say...
What the fuck boys. I respect each and every one of you. Some, I'd blow an elephant if you asked me too, others, not so much, I still respect you though.
That said, we in fighting is the wrong answer, we are not the fucking demonic savages. They are out there but we ain't it.
I know, I've been here a min, I'm not SOF, I'm just a fucking retarded former Paratrooper/medic turned ghetto paramedic, I don't have a green tag under my name but I think, all opinions matter without folks getting asshurt, right or am I wrong?
I gotta be honest.
We are better than attacks on each other. I feel like this is my in laws fucking with each other and it pisses me off.
I love most of you here like blood, you've been there for me, physically, others, ehhh, I can give a fuck but I still listen to what you have to say because that's what adults with morales do.
I don't know, am I wrong homies?
We are on the same fucking team. Politics suck. Many people suck. We are surrounded by demons, spiritual warfare at its worse, maybe, we shouldn't treat each other like cocks, that's a novel solution.
I may be wrong, I may be right, this is just my opinion from a member of this community.
Love sent.
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It's going to be interesting to see where this goes, but it's not particularly hard to imagine.
People suggesting this was a "professional hit" are just ignorant and the suggestion is silly. It doesn't take a particularly high degree of skill to make a ~200m shot with Mauser, especially if using glass and your target is stationary/seated, as Kirk was. And no "professional" is taking a position on am open rooftop in the middle of the day.
One thing has become clear to me, however. This was a very well coordinated and planned assassination. From the timing of the question, to the false claim of a responsibility, to the guy cheering in the crowd. There were more people than just the shooter involved...and they all kept quiet beforehand. That is very concerning.
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This is part of the problem, and I will boldly say it's been made so much more prominent on the left: we have normalized violence. Not 'just' in politics, but culture too. I mean, who doesn't love them some John Wick? Wasn't there a movie called Civil War? Part of the reason I left working in the ED and EMS was I became too comfortable with it: "yeah, this kid was shot five times. But let me tell you what I brought for lunch!" It took my wife having a hard convo with me, "this isn't you, you're not 'that' guy."
Social media fuels the fire, probably more of an accelerant. Can't get away from it.
I think a lot of people are underestimating how significant this murder is.
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Seeing all the celebrations online by the left over the death of Kirk shows me a problem they refuse to acknowledge: their side has grown disturbingly comfortable with violence against anyone who holds a different opinion. I’m in several writing and RPG groups that have many who lean left, and the amount of praising and justifying by younger left members was a shocking reality of how far things have fallen. What unsettles me most is that they see nothing wrong with it “the man said mean things, so he deserved to be killed.” They will gladly use the First Amendment to condemn conservatives and speak out against anything Trump does, but when it comes time for the other side to exercise the same right to free speech, suddenly “words are violence.” As always, rules for thee, not for me.
Like I said. Demonic savages are surrounding us. We must be vigilant.
Well, hopefully with this administration, they fire this POS.
Who's the guy pictured on the bottom right? Is he also someone who was murdered for his political beliefs? I don't recognize him.
Fucking hell, USMC recruiters need to get their shit straight.
Devildoc
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I'm not sure this will be an isolated event. We've already seen a lot of people get fired over their remarks.
RFC with an OER to reflect that.
They say "blood makes the grass grow" and it's a refrain we've all heard in uniform at some time or another. I'm hoping in this guy's case UCMJ and a BCD make the grass grow..."conduct unbecoming" and all of that.
I'd like to think that idiot's entire chain of command is at, or will be, the position of attention for quite a long time today and in the days to come. Cancel liberty because of one Marine LCpl.? Wait till you cancel a dozen careers because of one Marine Capt.. Seems fair.
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They've called us racists and Nazis for 10+ years. Everything they are doing is what they openly accused conservatives of probably doing. When a Democrat is attacked no Republican says they caused it for their legally protected views. But the vileness of Democrats is wild. Yesterday after he was shot, before it was announced that he had passed. Republicans attempted to hold a prayer on the House floor, and Democratic lawmakers booed.
You have liberals that openly advocate for the world being a better place if certain named conservatives were gone.
You know, I am still on my 72 hour hold here, got about 48 left until I see enough of the story to form an opinion. But to @Marauder06 point here.
I don't think people are fully grasping what the implications of the assassination of Charlie Kirk are going to be. I'll say this one time- the video where you watched Charlie lose his life- that's what they wanted you to watch on CNN in Butler a year ago.
I think I probably have the most followers (except for one dude that runs a very popular meme account you guys never realized) on social here on the board. I make no bones about my page and the specific topics I talk about, and I separate that from OR for obvious reasons. That being said, I have had good friends ask me why I am more aggressive on social media, and my posture/avatar on my IG as opposed to how I converse in long form conversation on topics. "You should be trying to bring more people to the table! Discourse! EXPLAIN to them your position." is feedback I have gotten more than once. I have been called every -ist and -phobe in the books. Been doxxed. Death threats. All of it.
One time, I asked a pretty liberal friend, "Like who? The left has no one doing that. What person should I emulate?" He had no answer because the left is a silo, but after some discussion, it was revealed that the name was Charlie Kirk.
I won't bless Charlie with sainthood as some are; I didn't know the man personally or know his heart. He was a 31 year old devout Christian that made a huge media and political empire out of nothing more than a table and an invite to talk about issues. He wasn't Nick Fuentes. He wasn't Alex Jones or Myron Gaines or any of these other hyperebolic dudes. He had talks where he dug into bad ideas.
Whatever this turns out to be- and we all know what it is already, there are just some that want to pretend, reading these pages- it was 2 things.
1, it was a huge mistake. This nation is at an inflection point over woke/Marxist/socialist/leftist ideology. Young men today have been sprinting to the right, and lots of those young dudes are sprinting too far. The older cohort (my generation, under 50) has been front row to how it was, how it became, and what it is now. There is a massive backlash looming in America. Charlie Kirk was in no way extreme. His stance on trans was, "That's not true, and lying and pretending it's true is no way to live life." He wasn't misogynistic, he wasn't racist, he wasn't a homophobe. The MSM and the left writ large labeled him as such, and breathlessly repeated that until it became "true" to radicalized, jobless, childless, hopeless young folks in search of an identity captured by left-wing media. You want to radacalize an entire population of folks you've demonized by telling them they're the worst people on the planet because of their skin color, their views on marriage and kids? The murder of Charlie Kirk did just that.
2, it completely destroyed any moral high ground in political discourse. That's done now. You slaughtered the most centrist conservative republican star (and it's not close) on video so his wife and small children can watch. You celebrated it after the fact. Every MSM out there is vacillating between barely holding in their applause and blaming Kirk himself. Politicians are booing and heckling someone fighting for their lives from the House floor. I don't want to hear about Jan 6 ever again. I don't want to hear about the "violent right" ever again. I don't want to hear a single moral judgment from the left or anyone who even considers themselves aligned with the left. You can shut the literal fuck up. There's no parsing it out; it wasn't some deranged lunatic who killed for his own purposes here. It was someone who was radicalized by the violent rhetoric of the left and their complicit left-wing media outlets, supported by rank-and-file blue folks on social media, cheered on by prominent elected officials. The way COVID red-pilled people to government corruption, these two September events (Ukrainian refugee murder/Charlie Kirk assassination) will be the time frame that takes the mask off of the left.
My grandpa used to use an old Irish saying, "Beware the anger of a patient man."
For decades, the right's refrain has been, "We just want to be left alone." It's the cornerstone of the right's conservative ideology. Individual rights, get the government out of your house and keep them out of business. Wanna get married to someone of the same sex? I disagree with it, but whatever. Trans, same. You're a dude that says he's a chick? Whatever, that's weird, but if you're a consenting adult and do so of your own accord, whatever. I can bring up 70 more examples of the start of these very slippery slopes, you get it. I included these two because of the WSJ reporting of what was etched on the casings of the ammunition found from the shooter.
Well, it looks like that was wrong. We have been in a culture war for longer than people will admit, and the left has been escalating that war incrementally, day by day, since 2010.
I saw a tweet that said, "The moderate right died today." I think that's correct, and everyone should be worried about that- but that feeling didn't come from the right. That feeling came from more than a decade of the left's quite clear intent.
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Well, damn, you're gonna drop that nugget here and leave us hanging? That's cold.
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