Their are pro's/con's to both sides, it just depends on what things are important to you as an individual.
College before the military?
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Its a good 25m target and you're allowed to have more than one dream. Not sure I get where you were heading on that.
Brian-
Look, your "banter" is neither friendly or funny. We don't know you. You're unverified, so you're not one of us. In this thread you have insulted the officers' corps and the Marine Corps, and have probably managed to alienate both groups here on the site. That's not a good way to start off here. I suggest you just learn from this and move on.
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Roger that. Like I said, I didn't mean to disrespect either. I've been lurking around a little over a year, but on about 99% of the threads I find listening better then posting. I guess I should stick to that lol. How do I verify? I tried when I initially registered and couldn't figure it out. Moving on.
Scroll up to the top of the page, there's a "vetting" tab, you can use it to submit a DD-214 (minus your SSN), a set of orders, your enlistment paperwork, anything that shows you're legit .mil. After you do that, we can get you hooked up.
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We have a few guys who are doing that in our unit. It's not impossible at all, the recruiters aren't exactly thrilled to help you out because it does not count towards their 'quota' if you will. If you find one who is truly propitious, he help you get active when the time comes. If that doesn't work, a few of my buddies have thrown some money towards the recruiter and they were glad to help out. It really all depends on whats going on at the time you want to go active. When I was going through OSUT they were actually offering people to change their contracts from NG to AD. But with the draw down and 200,000 army soldiers being cut at the moment its a bit more difficult. In 4 years it might/can be completely different. Nothing is ever impossible though! (PS. If you become an NCO, the higher rank the harder it is to join AD, unless you take a rank drop)
Sooooo, let me see if I am reading this correctly. Did you just say you know people that have offered bribes to recruiters to help them move form NG to AD? Because that's what it seems.
Considering Mara gave you a pass on your behavior thus far (banter, witty as it may be), I would suggest strongly that you take a self-imposed break from posting.
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In no way did I say I have done, or encourage such behavior. How am I the slightest bit at fault for simply saying what people have done. I don't think it should be that way at all, but I don't think that recruiters should be so reluctant to help you transfer because it doesn't 'benefit' them. I'll take a break from the forums; no worries. It seems as its impossible to even talk without offending someone around here. We're supposed to have some of the thickest skin in the word, but god forbid you mention what people have done in the past. I'm baffled by the responses I get here.
For the record, the recruiters that did that did not 'hook them up' in any special way. They simply allowed them do what the soldier IS allowed to do, but it put an urgency on the issue, so it wasn't a 'when i get around to it' type thing.
For the record, the recruiters that did that did not 'hook them up' in any special way. They simply allowed them do what the soldier IS allowed to do, but it put an urgency on the issue, so it wasn't a 'when i get around to it' type thing.
You are not offending anyone.....
Alright. I am going to put this as nicely as possible. You are not offending anyone. We are not "offended" when we respond to you, we are telling you how we expect you to behave on this board, and in this community. You said "we are supposed to have thick skin"- let me be clear. There is no "we". There is "us"- actual members of SOF units performing those missions, and there is "you"- a wanna be stomping his feet before he has earned the right to do so. You have failed twice now when a mod or an admin has offered you advice, so now I will tell you in plain English.
Your posts here are immature, unprofessional, and unwanted. Your response of "I DID NOTHING WRONG Y R U GUYS SO MEAN" only cemented that perception of you as a soldier, grown man, and member of this site. You are an unverified member who seemingly can not adhere to rules, follow instruction from those that know better, and one that responds immaturely when these facts are pointed out. You even went as far as to tell people that "people I know gave the recruiters extra money to help them out" and then got upset about me calling BS. Not only did you actually say that, but you defended it when pressed.
The members of this board are who you profess to want to be, SOF professionals that give their most valuable resource- time- to this board of their own volition. I refuse to let you waste any more of it.
I am leaving the thread open for others to discuss the topic. Your inputs here are not needed, or wanted. If you have an issue, you will address it through PM. This is not an option.
The NG tends to frown upon such activities, but that can vary from state to state and MOSQ among other things.
In other words, don't bank on going NG to AD. You want AD, go AD.
Thanks for the info, Freefalling. As I. Said before, I' most likely going to stick with my plan of getting a degree before enlisting. I migh change it if financial burdens become a serious issue or the military situation changes drastically.
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Your contract could very well end by the time you graduate. Note that for NG/reserve your contract starts from the day of signing, and your training pipeline will take up a good deal of time as well. For example "my friend" signed a 6 year contract in October senior year and his End Term of Service (ETS) is the October following college graduation from a standard "4 year plan." Fortunately in that case you would not have to worry about whether your unit will release you.
Mod, I'd like to post if I may.
I'm a newb here. I have sent in my DD214 and am awaiting verfication.
I will not remark on BrianP's posts, since it was handle well already.
I'd like to respond to the OP's question and give you another example of option C.
It was worth it to me because it gave me a true appreciation of both sides.
I did 2 years at Cornell. Got on the wrong side of work ethic and lost my scholarship.
I enlisted in the Corps right after sophomore finals and went to boot camp basically right away.
Made honor man and my DI's had a conniption when they learned that I wanted 03xx, infantry. My goal was Force Recon, all the way. Back in 85, there was no recon pipeline (that I knew of).
I made it. Had the best and most educational experience of my life. Truly shaped who I am today.
My Platoon Commander was one of the greatest officers I've ever known. He gave me the push to get higher education. If it wasn't for his encouragement I wouldn't have an MD from another Ivy League. I am thankful for his advice.
If I could change it, I'd probably stick w/ a military career and have them pay for all of my future education.
It all comes down to what you want and the effort you put into it. Too many young folks today want HSLD but don't want to the sweat equity.
I'm a newb here. I have sent in my DD214 and am awaiting verfication.
I will not remark on BrianP's posts, since it was handle well already.
I'd like to respond to the OP's question and give you another example of option C.
It was worth it to me because it gave me a true appreciation of both sides.
I did 2 years at Cornell. Got on the wrong side of work ethic and lost my scholarship.
I enlisted in the Corps right after sophomore finals and went to boot camp basically right away.
Made honor man and my DI's had a conniption when they learned that I wanted 03xx, infantry. My goal was Force Recon, all the way. Back in 85, there was no recon pipeline (that I knew of).
I made it. Had the best and most educational experience of my life. Truly shaped who I am today.
My Platoon Commander was one of the greatest officers I've ever known. He gave me the push to get higher education. If it wasn't for his encouragement I wouldn't have an MD from another Ivy League. I am thankful for his advice.
If I could change it, I'd probably stick w/ a military career and have them pay for all of my future education.
It all comes down to what you want and the effort you put into it. Too many young folks today want HSLD but don't want to the sweat equity.
Thanks for the advice, 8654Maine. It helps to be reminded that that I have an option C as well. With that being said, I still plan on getting a degree before enlisting. This decision of mine has been strengthened by the fact that PSAT scores were fairly high (84th percentile) and my SAT scores are going to be coming in soon (which I'm confident will be at the very least decent). My only worry id the financial aspect of getting a degree.
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Another thing to remember is that college is absolutely free when you are active duty. You'll have to take most of it as online classes, although a lot of people still find time to go to night classes. Tuition assistance is capped at something like $2,400 a year, but that's not bad when you don't have to pay for a room or food (don't forget, housing and meals are free for single guys in the military).
Disregard my last post, it was a mistake. Mods, please delete it.
Thaks for the feedback, Etype. I have a specific question; how long on average would it take to obtain a 4yr degree if I took night classes while on AD.
Took me seven years.
