Covid-19

So Doc @Devildoc I’ve got it, @Kraut783 has it, @Bypass has had it...Once a person recovers are they immune and do they have to get the vaccine?

Yes, no maybe so.

I really hate to sound like an ass. We do not know. We do know that in all cases so far any conferred antibodies decrease over time. We don't even know if the vaccine will be a one-time deal or require boosters, or if they need to reengineer an entirely new vaccine each year a la flu vaccine. They are doing serial antibodies on people who had the vaccine in trials to figure that out. We do not even know if getting the vaccine keeps you from spreading it (they are looking at that, too).

What we do know: after having COVID, antibodies are detectable (and thus confer immunity) out to around 6 months, then start dwindling.
 
Yes, no maybe so.

I really hate to sound like an ass. We do not know. We do know that in all cases so far any conferred antibodies decrease over time. We don't even know if the vaccine will be a one-time deal or require boosters, or if they need to reengineer an entirely new vaccine each year a la flu vaccine. They are doing serial antibodies on people who had the vaccine in trials to figure that out. We do not even know if getting the vaccine keeps you from spreading it (they are looking at that, too).

What we do know: after having COVID, antibodies are detectable (and thus confer immunity) out to around 6 months, then start dwindling.
So why get the vax? Serious question.
 
So why get the vax? Serious question.

What is likelihood from dying from the flu? But we get a flu vaccine. What is the risk of tetanus? But we get a tetanus vaccine. And you wear the uniform, you get every vaccine known to man.

You get the vaccine so you don't get the bug. But whether or not you are at risk for it being a debilitating disease is up to you to decide, and the risk goes up the older you get and/or the more comorbidities you have. So for you right now, the risk may not warrant the vaccine. But for Grammy and Gramps? We have enough data to tell us that they might die or at least get sick to a debilitating state.
 
What is likelihood from dying from the flu? But we get a flu vaccine. What is the risk of tetanus? But we get a tetanus vaccine. And you wear the uniform, you get every vaccine known to man.

You get the vaccine so you don't get the bug. But whether or not you are at risk for it being a debilitating disease is up to you to decide, and the risk goes up the older you get and/or the more comorbidities you have. So for you right now, the risk may not warrant the vaccine. But for Grammy and Gramps? We have enough data to tell us that they might die or at least get sick to a debilitating state.
Good point (but I keep forgetting my flu shot).

My 94 yr old grandmother lived at home alone and tested positive from COVID 20 Nov from a visiting nurse, who treated her open wounds on her legs (not sure what the deal was but her poor circulation caused skin to rupture and not heal leading to skin grafts which did work but the dressings needed changing). She had mild symptoms (99 fever, malaise, slight congestion) but no shit by Thanksgiving, she claimed she felt fine, just a little tired. She was in GREAT spirits and excited to hear about the smoked turkey and we talked politics (@amlove21 it was a massive Democrat bash fest) as she was very much a Nixon-Republican. My oldest was shocked that she was doing so well because COVID kicked her ass as a 32 year old and wondered how in hell this old lady was doing so well. My grandmother was looking forward to Sunday, 29 Nov when she would no longer be on quarantine and get visits from my Aunt and Uncle (they had visited her before her positive test and they too got the Wu flu).

Friday night (27 Nov) she was rushed to the ER because she had trouble breathing. I'm not sure the exact timeline but I spoke to her on the phone in her room but the O2 machine made it very difficult for her to hear. We made small talk and asked about her great-granddaughters. A few days later, my aunt was admitted to the hospital (roomed a few doors away) because her pulse/ox was in the upper 70s. My uncle, in his early 70s, has just been sick.

Sometime my grandmother got the antibody plasma therapy and it seemed to be working VERY well: they pulled her off the BPAB and put her back on the nasal O2 on 7 Dec. The docs were having difficulty controlling her AFib and keeping her heart rate under 150 but were hopeful. My aunt was discharged and was able to swing by my grandmother's room on her way home (she's on O2 but at home and uncle is still fine considering).

I got an email from my cousin yesterday around 1400 that things had quickly deteriorated and our grandmother had had enough: no more O2 and stop the meds. My other cousin set up Zoom call for all the grandkids to be with our grandmother virtually. I got home just in time to see her in her bed apparently unaware and breathing very deeply but regularly. As I signed in, all the grandkids started being, well, like me, laughing, joking, and making fun of each other but telling that tough old lady "Hey were all here." No shit, her breathing rate increased but still deep. My oldest (COVID recovered) messaged her and the nurse read the message, which was touching and sweet but...had a zinger (she done lern'd gud).

"Grandma we love you and thank you. Oh, by the way, when you see Grandpa, please tell him it was (her other cousin) that broke the garage window and it wasn't me." WE ALL DIED LAUGHING. She allowed people who were feeling very sad to feel joy/happiness and revel in giving another family member shit for keeping a secret for YEARS.

We all noticed my grandmother's respiratory rate slowing but still very deep. I texted my cousin that her body was fighting to stay alive and it was just natural but very soon the rate really slowed and the exchanges were not as deep. Her neck started slowly showing signs of hypoxia and I told my cousin that she's not getting enough O2 and was most likely unconscious by then and expect one deep gasp before she went. Her chin turned blue and her breathing just stopped.

I told my cousin that our grandmother was VERY secure in her faith and she was a very strong Baptist, who was not afraid of death because she knew what would happen to her soul. She just worried about us...ALWAYS.

After she passed, I texted my family "Your grandmother is with her husband and daughter."

My point, and I do have one, is that shit happens. As much as we like to think we're in control, we're not. Someone can take all the precautions, wear the PPE, do all the "right" things, and still get killed. Or a 5-year old could just be out riding his bike and his neighbor could walk up and execute him. I'm not saying go play in traffic but rather understand the risks, mitigate them, but ALWAYS ensure your loved ones know where you stand so that when you leave this world, you have no regarts.

Finally, I'm a believer that the sadness someone feels after the death of a loved one is selfish. Meaning that I'm sad that I will not feel the personal happiness felt hearing old stories about my WWI great-grandfather (her father), hearing what it was like growing up in small town OK coming out of the depression, how this lady met this hillbilly driving a milk wagon, and how she moved to LA because her dad could find work before WWII broke out and how the hillbilly moved to WA also to find work. I'm sad that I won't hear how that hillbilly intentionally got suspended (you can see where I get it) from work (mission essential and couldn't get time off) so he could go to LA to grab his fiance and return to WA before the suspension expired. I'm sad for me but proud that my grandmother showed all of us how to die with dignity and faith in God will enable us to meet any situation as long as we have faith in our Lord.
 
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@lindy thanks very much for your testimony. Man, that was deep.

Everyone has decide where they stand with the vax, I don't care, except I care that everyone stays healthy.
My cousin told me today yesterday was the first time he saw someone die. I just thought “huh”.

I have to say: the nurse present during all that was AMAZING. You medical folks are tops in my book, hands down.

Edit: to clarify @Devildoc , I’m ok either way with the vax if I gotta sure but it’s just not a must have...now we shift to shingles vax...yeah, all in on that one!
 
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How this virus effects people differently reminds me of when West Nile Virus was prevalent. I had a teacher in high school contract the virus and it took her down for the count, they had no idea what was going on, people thought she was going to die. And then they figured it out, after a lot of great medical care she returned to the classroom later that year.
 
So I've previously mentioned that the boss is a Child Advocate and Special Victims attorney for the state. Her specific role is to represent the state in the administrative side of a lot of the disgusting criminal cases. Basically she puts fuck heads on registries. She gets to read all the reports and what not. How does this relate to the Rona? Well she's starting to deal with cases that occurred during lockdown. Cases that would never have happened if the kids were at school and the stress wasn't high.

Well, this specific one wasn't nasty. What I've learned from having her do her lawyer lady shit at the house is that just Stress can lead to domestic violence. In this one the parents got into a fight over their kids school stuff. Their kids are performing poorly. Direct testimony from one of the children: "I really like school, school's fun, but now school is on the computer and I don't like that."
 
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