Covid-19

[Dame]

Slippery fucking slope.

I'd say that's a full on downhill speed run. Pretty sure that wouldn't fly here (maybe in NY). Trespassing in order to "enforce" a government mandated quarantine? I hear shotguns being racked all over the country.

 

[Brill]

I'd say that's a full on downhill speed run. Pretty sure that wouldn't fly here (maybe in NY). Trespassing in order to "enforce" a government mandated quarantine? I hear shotguns being racked all over the country.

Dude makes meme & faces 10 years in Fed prison.

FBI guy lies to Fed judge, who, based on the lies, suspends 4th amendment privileges of an American for almost an entire year & gets probation.

White supremacists and domestic terrorists will be severely punished. Patriots will double or triple mask while insurrections and internal enemies will illegally manipulate stock holding to inflict grave damage upon our national economy. Men, via simple decree, can miraculously have children and preventing such violates their civil rights, a Federal crime.

Americans will shut up and do as they’re told.

 

[Gunz]

However, the use of these facilities, at the time of this reporting, is largely theoretical.

Auschwitz, at one time, was largely theoretical.

 

[Brill]

And just like that, the “big lie” is no longer needed.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1355319508949319681

 

[ThunderHorse]

And just like that, the “big lie” is no longer needed.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1355319508949319681

If there was no government funding tied to positive tests, patients admitted, and patients admitted to the ICU, the numbers would look way different. But we went to a test everyone policy...you know how hard it is for a doctor to test you for the flu?

 

[Brill]

If there was no government funding tied to positive tests, patients admitted, and patients admitted to the ICU, the numbers would look way different.

The correct wording is “taxpayer funded Government SPENDING”.

 

[Dvr55119]

If there was no government funding tied to positive tests, patients admitted, and patients admitted to the ICU, the numbers would look way different. But we went to a test everyone policy...you know how hard it is for a doctor to test you for the flu?

How hard is it to test for influenza? Not at all hard is the answer to your question.

 

[ThunderHorse]

How hard is it to test for influenza? Not at all hard is the answer to your question.

Correct, it's not hard. But the vast majority of influenza cases are diagnosed and never tested for. I couldn't tell you any time I was treated for influenza that I was tested, literally ever. However, I'm guessing that has changed quite a bit since you don't want misdiagnose the flu for the corona.

 

[Dvr55119]

Correct, it's not hard. But the vast majority of influenza cases are diagnosed and never tested for. I couldn't tell you any time I was treated for influenza that I was tested, literally ever. However, I'm guessing that has changed quite a bit since you don't want misdiagnose the flu for the corona.

Any good physician would want to properly diagnose an illness. Influenza can be quickly diagnosed via multiple commercially available products. Now, often patients do not want to pay for a diagnostic test, particularly if they are symptomatic and had a known exposure.

The differential diagnosis for COVID should include an influenza test, and a Covid rule out for a suspected symptomatic influenza patient should include an covid test. There have been relatively few cases of influenza this season though, as many people are being much more careful. Masks, social distance, and hand washing are the preventive measures that also work for curbing the spread of most communicable diseases.

Most symptomatic patients receive a Covid test first, and if that is negative will receive a influenza test next. Many hospitals and associated urgent care centers will do both tests at the same time in order to streamline diagnosis.

 

[ThunderHorse]

Any good physician would want to properly diagnose an illness. Influenza can be quickly diagnosed via multiple commercially available products. Now, often patients do not want to pay for a diagnostic test, particularly if they are symptomatic and had a known exposure.

The differential diagnosis for COVID should include an influenza test, and a Covid rule out for a suspected symptomatic influenza patient should include an covid test. There have been relatively few cases of influenza this season though, as many people are being much more careful. Masks, social distance, and hand washing are the preventive measures that also work for curbing the spread of most communicable diseases.

Most symptomatic patients receive a Covid test first, and if that is negative will receive a influenza test next. Many hospitals and associated urgent care centers will do both tests at the same time in order to streamline diagnosis.

To be honest I don't buy that influenza is down or that people are being more "careful" when you consider the total number of Coronavirus cases. And, disclaimer. This is my opinion. We're having a lot of "undiagnosed" cases of influenza and people who have symptoms that overlap are only getting COVID tests via drive thru facilities, not point of care.

 

[Dvr55119]

To be honest I don't buy that influenza is down or that people are being more "careful" when you consider the total number of Coronavirus cases. And, disclaimer. This is my opinion. We're having a lot of "undiagnosed" cases of influenza and people who have symptoms that overlap are only getting COVID tests via drive thru facilities, not point of care.

I appreciate you saying your opinion is anecdotal. In my anecdotal experiences in the hospital over the last year, I can confirm that influenza cases are down. I can also confirm anecdotally that when I was tested in a drive up site for COVID in Oct, I was also tested for influenza.

For some hard data, the CDC reports 524,037 influenza tests since September in the US. That is not a significant reduction in the amount of tests as compared to normal. For comparison in 2019 for the full season 1,145,555 tests were performed.

Positivity rates are also charted, in 2019 the positivity rate was around 15 percent. This year the positivity rate is hovering at 0.2 percent. This information would imply that influenza is almost certainly not as prevalent this year. The reasons for that could be attributed to many factors, but the most likely seems to be an increase in the things I mentioned earlier. The reason COvId is so prevalent despite those efforts seems to be that it is airborne, and influenza is not. Therefore our measures work well in reducing influenza spread, but not as well at COVID.

 

[ThunderHorse]

I appreciate you saying your opinion is anecdotal. In my anecdotal experiences in the hospital over the last year, I can confirm that influenza cases are down. I can also confirm anecdotally that when I was tested in a drive up site for COVID in Oct, I was also tested for influenza.

For some hard data, the CDC reports 524,037 influenza tests since September in the US. That is not a significant reduction in the amount of tests as compared to normal. For comparison in 2019 for the full season 1,145,555 tests were performed.

Positivity rates are also charted, in 2019 the positivity rate was around 15 percent. This year the positivity rate is hovering at 0.2 percent. This information would imply that influenza is almost certainly not as prevalent this year. The reasons for that could be attributed to many factors, but the most likely seems to be an increase in the things I mentioned earlier. The reason COvId is so prevalent despite those efforts seems to be that it is airborne, and influenza is not. Therefore our measures work well in reducing influenza spread, but not as well at COVID.

Got a link for any of that? The CDC doesn't list the 19-20 season.**

The 18-19 season however the CDC does give data. Estimated Influenza Illnesses, Medical visits, Hospitalizations, and Deaths in the United States — 2018–2019 influenza season | CDC

CDC estimates that influenza was associated with more than 35.5 million illnesses, more than 16.5 million medical visits, 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 deaths during the 2018–2019 influenza season. This burden was similar to estimated burden during the 2012–2013 influenza season1.

So generally, based on the fact that influenza is way more contagious. I don't think we'll know at all since we've seen how people have been avoiding care. We've also seen how deaths have been misdiagnosed (on purpose or not, but that grant money when you get a COVID death).

ETA: Err never mind. Found the 19-20 data. No idea why it wasn't in the same place. Estimated Influenza Illnesses, Medical visits, Hospitalizations, and Deaths in the United States — 2019–2020 Influenza Season | CDC

During the 2019-2020 influenza season, CDC estimates that influenza was associated with 38 million illnesses, 18 million medical visits, 405,000 hospitalizations, and 22,000 deaths. The influenza burden was higher in young children (0-4 years) and adults (18-49 years) compared with a recent season with the 2017-2018 season, a recent season with high severity, and provides evidence to support how severe seasonal influenza can be at any age.

Also, on under "Burden Estimate Limitations":

For these estimates, we included additional information to better capture flu testing practices at sites in the hospital-based surveillance system, FluSurv-NET, that collects data on patients hospitalized with laboratory-confirmed flu. Flu testing is done at the request of individual clinicians, but not everyone is tested, and flu tests are not perfectly accurate. Thus, reports of laboratory-confirmed flu-related hospitalizations to FluSurv-NET are underestimates of the true number of hospitalizations. To adjust for this, CDC collects data annually from participating FluSurv-NET sites on the amount of flu testing and the type of tests used at the site. This information is used to correct for the underestimates of flu-related hospitalizations. These testing data are often not available for up to 2 years after the end of a flu season, and thus the burden estimates are revised when additional testing data become available.

 

[Dvr55119]

Got a link for any of that? The CDC doesn't list the 19-20 season.**

The 18-19 season however the CDC does give data. Estimated Influenza Illnesses, Medical visits, Hospitalizations, and Deaths in the United States — 2018–2019 influenza season | CDC


So generally, based on the fact that influenza is way more contagious. I don't think we'll know at all since we've seen how people have been avoiding care. We've also seen how deaths have been misdiagnosed (on purpose or not, but that grant money when you get a COVID death).

ETA: Err never mind. Found the 19-20 data. No idea why it wasn't in the same place. Estimated Influenza Illnesses, Medical visits, Hospitalizations, and Deaths in the United States — 2019–2020 Influenza Season | CDC

Looks like you found some of it. Here is a summary as well:

Update: Influenza Activity in the United States During the 2018–19 Season and Composition of the 2019–20 Influenza Vaccine

Rates: Weekly U.S. Influenza Surveillance Report | CDC

 

[ThunderHorse]

So, like the Flu. You can still catch Coronavirus if you get the vaccine.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1355676283062153216

 

[Kaldak]

So, like the Flu. You can still catch Coronavirus if you get the vaccine.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1355676283062153216

We have established that fact already in this thread and others. Anything new I'm missing?

 

[AWP]

90% efficacy means 10% are SOL.

 

[Devildoc]

How hard is it to test for influenza? Not at all hard is the answer to your question.

Yeah, we test all the time this time of year.

 

[Muppet]

I'd say that's a full on downhill speed run. Pretty sure that wouldn't fly here (maybe in NY). Trespassing in order to "enforce" a government mandated quarantine? I hear shotguns being racked all over the country.

And the contractors would deserve it...

I said it.

 

[Muppet]

Dude makes meme & faces 10 years in Fed prison.

FBI guy lies to Fed judge, who, based on the lies, suspends 4th amendment privileges of an American for almost an entire year & gets probation.

White supremacists and domestic terrorists will be severely punished. Patriots will double or triple mask while insurrections and internal enemies will illegally manipulate stock holding to inflict grave damage upon our national economy. Men, via simple decree, can miraculously have children and preventing such violates their civil rights, a Federal crime.

Americans will shut up and do as they’re told.

Yep.

 

[Muppet]

Auschwitz, at one time, was largely theoretical.

Na, you have it all wrong. The SS, especially at KL Auschwitz and Berkinau were all following orders. Must follow orders.

But, if my great grandfather and other bloodline that were murdered there were alive, they'd disagree.

I have no doubt, Americans as a whole would gladly get on those boxcars to camps if they were told it was for their security.

We all have learned alot during the pandemic, mostly that, Americans will rat fuck on their neighbors like they are SS collaborators, Americans will trust any government to do the right thing on their behalf and that, the media tells the truth.

It is these reasons why in general, I have utter disdain for the public, frankly, I despise these types, including the cunts that wear masks in cars, by themselves.