Covid-19

Nevada is under lock and key. Have to admit I never thought it would happen here. We are rather independent and libertarian in this state. But you can hear the desperation in the Governor's voice. I feel for him.

 
Nevada is under lock and key. Have to admit I never thought it would happen here. We are rather independent and libertarian in this state.

Ugh, wanted to give hate to this (not for you, but for the content!). Even as a recent transplant myself, I feel I can say that this "Stay Home for Nevada" (directive requiring "facial covering" coming soon!) authoritarian push just shows the recent and radical change in this state from what you describe to just more California. Courtesy of the cali/portland/seattle refugees (though I've lived there, I'm certainly not one of those) that are infesting every major city east of them. Though we've our fair share of them up here in Washoe, most of them are down in your neck of the woods.


Are really considering 2-bit Canadians to be from the "midwest'?
 
That's great.. but all my liberal friends are saying that it's all unscientific to even consider any of these things.. since it hasn't gone through clinical trials and stuff

I counter with XX and XY chromosome discussion which 100% of the time results in being labeled “racist“, which is liberal for “ok, I concede your point is in fact valid”.

If gender/sex is fluid and determined by how one feels, then if these drugs makes one feel better, are they not legitimate?

Why is medical marijuana ”ok” but these anti-COVID drugs “not” when neither groups are approved by the FDA?
 
That's great.. but all my liberal friends are saying that it's all unscientific to even consider any of these things.. since it hasn't gone through clinical trials and stuff

Taking anecdotal or very small studies and saying that it works is not the best way to do things. If it does work in some cases that is great, but if it causes people to buy medications or use medications not prescribed it is not great. It also isn’t great to have people thinking they know more than experts, and second guessing every way their friend or relative is treated. Chloroquine and azithromycin is an example where the study was exclusive of patients in the ICU. When patients were in the trial and sent for escalating care they were excluded from the trial. It is easy to see why that doesn’t meet the scientific method for drug efficacy. If a scientist is studying the efficacy of the drug, they shouldn’t exclude people from the results if the drug didn’t work. There was a follow up study done in France that basically looked at the original study and points out all their flaws.

Here is a great breakdown of that study:

Are hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin an effective treatment for COVID-19?

I hope people remain cautious with the prescription of these drugs. Side effects could be profound. QtC elongation(a common side effect) could lead to cardiac arrest in patients with cardiac issues or a fib. I think it is scary to allow widespread use of a drug with unknown efficacy based on anecdotal studies with flawed experimental design. I am nervous that inexperienced doctors pressed into unfamiliar territory may prescribe meds that haven't been properly vetted to patients that would not benefit.

I hope that it is the drug it looks to be from these small studies. I am always skeptical of "wonder drugs" or "cures" that seem to good to be true. I am hopeful that the combined research, work and effort of our worlds brightest minds will find a good, well researched, treatment for this disease.
 
Taking anecdotal or very small studies and saying that it works is not the best way to do things. If it does work in some cases that is great, but if it causes people to buy medications or use medications not prescribed it is not great. It also isn’t great to have people thinking they know more than experts, and second guessing every way their friend or relative is treated. Chloroquine and azithromycin is an example where the study was exclusive of patients in the ICU. When patients were in the trial and sent for escalating care they were excluded from the trial. It is easy to see why that doesn’t meet the scientific method for drug efficacy. If a scientist is studying the efficacy of the drug, they shouldn’t exclude people from the results if the drug didn’t work. There was a follow up study done in France that basically looked at the original study and points out all their flaws.

Here is a great breakdown of that study:

Are hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin an effective treatment for COVID-19?

I hope people remain cautious with the prescription of these drugs. Side effects could be profound. QtC elongation(a common side effect) could lead to cardiac arrest in patients with cardiac issues or a fib. I think it is scary to allow widespread use of a drug with unknown efficacy based on anecdotal studies with flawed experimental design. I am nervous that inexperienced doctors pressed into unfamiliar territory may prescribe meds that haven't been properly vetted to patients that would not benefit.

I hope that it is the drug it looks to be from these small studies. I am always skeptical of "wonder drugs" or "cures" that seem to good to be true. I am hopeful that the combined research, work and effort of our worlds brightest minds will find a good, well researched, treatment for this disease.

QtC is actually not that common.

Emergencies, wars, pandemics are a historical treasure trove of cutting edge medicine, precisely because it's not "business as usual".
 
I counter with XX and XY chromosome discussion which 100% of the time results in being labeled “racist“, which is liberal for “ok, I concede your point is in fact valid”.

If gender/sex is fluid and determined by how one feels, then if these drugs makes one feel better, are they not legitimate?

Why is medical marijuana ”ok” but these anti-COVID drugs “not” when neither groups are approved by the FDA?

Just the last part there, your statement isn’t entirely accurate. From the FDA:

“ FDA has approved Epidiolex, which contains a purified form of the drug substance cannabidiol (CBD) for the treatment of seizures associated with Lennox-Gastaut syndrome or Dravet syndrome in patients 2 years of age and older. That means FDA has concluded that this particular drug product is safe and effective for its intended use.

The agency also has approved Marinol and Syndros for therapeutic uses in the United States, including for nausea associated with cancer chemotherapy and for the treatment of anorexia associated with weight loss in AIDS patients. Marinol and Syndros include the active ingredient dronabinol, a synthetic delta-9- tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) which is considered the psychoactive intoxicating component of cannabis (i.e., the component responsible for the “high” people may experience from using cannabis). Another FDA-approved drug, Cesamet, contains the active ingredient nabilone, which has a chemical structure similar to THC and is synthetically derived. Cesamet, like dronabinol-containing products, is indicated for nausea associated with cancer chemotherapy.”

Link: FDA and Cannabis: Research and Drug Approval Process

QtC is actually not that common.

Emergencies, wars, pandemics are a historical treasure trove of cutting edge medicine, precisely because it's not "business as usual".

If the primary comorbidity for being critically ill is cardiovascular and pulmonary disease, don’t you think it would be a significant side effect?

Emergencies, wars, pandemics are a historical treasure trove of cutting edge medicine, precisely because it's not "business as usual".

I do agree with this.
 
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