F
Firosche
Guest
H&K USP or the sig huh....? Wich caliber would you prefer then? I like the 40 cal.
H&K USP or the sig huh....? Wich caliber would you prefer then? I like the 40 cal.
I think you'd be better sticking with .40 Smith. This is not because I actually believe it posseses any better stopping power than 9mm Luger, especially when used with more contemporary Jacketed Hollow Point ammunition. I just think you'll find yourself wishing you had stuck with .40 Smith out of peer pressure, if peer pressure is something that you take into consideration. Personally I don't, but I can I see where some of the "wannabee's with little more than gun shop gossip as their prerequisite to firearms knowledge would look at you crossed eyed. Then again, if your putting all 15 rounds into the center of mass and between the running lights with a 9mm Luger and your cohorts can't qualify then who's got the upper edge ???
Just my two cents, and some time on the range and a few tactical pistol couses.
I'd rather be 100% accurate with a 9mm Luger than only partially accurate with a .40 Smith or .45 ACP.
My son carries the Sig p226 chambered in 9mm and he can hit a B27 target all day long right between the running lights at 25 meters. I don't think he see's the need for a larger caliber, but I'd have to ask him to be sure.
82nd,
BTW you are up late bro...
So are you...:doh: lol
No I am not......:confused::confused:
wait
i am, aren't I???
It seems that a lot of you like the H&K USP. I have also got a few good reviews on the glock. It seems to be a toss up between the glock, USP, and sig 226. If any of you had the choice between these three weapons to put your life on, which one would it be? This is a all out serious question.
Whichever you shoot best with.....
I am issued a Glock,
I prefer to have my life depend on the USP... not a weapon created by the lowest bidder...
my .02
Hell, I'd prefer my life not be in danger, but us sheepdogs have chosen a different path than the general public
I qualified well with the 40 cal., but I think that it would be easier to qual with the 9mm. and I would have no problem with carring it off duty as well. It is even highly recomended. But I may have found an in to another department that provides their deputies with 9mm. Not sure which weapon. I have a fellow deputy that has thousands of rounds for the 9mm sig. I am sure he would be willing to let me take some off his hands. ;)
My vote, just to fuck you all up.... XD45. Springfield makes an XD in .40 S&W also, as far as I know, but I have a thing for the .45 ACP round, and I love the feel of this weapon. it comes in compact (but has a full-size mag, turning the compact into the full-size) and it comes in full-size. I freaking love that gun, and plan to buy one very soon. that's my :2c: good luck - I think you're gonna be fine either way with the 226 or the USP. fuck a Glock... they haven't changed shit in so long, and now everything else is better IMNSHO. let us know what you buy.
XD's are a piece? damn..... that's no good. I fired one, loved it, I have a buddy downrange who carried one for a time while employed with one of the private firms.... he was the one that told me to look into it. hmmm.
either way, you're getting a great weapon in the 226. happy hunting, and be safe out there.
I am going to attack this from a trainer point of view, so that the air can be cleared.
HK USP did not test well against the Glock during stress testing, the main issue being fine grit sand. The Glock tested better over all. Sig 226 is a proven weapon, but also has its drawbacks. Things like it’s not able to support large amounts of use with out cleaning regularly. Also will wear faster then the Glock production line.
Now from a training perspective, it is easier for me to teach a person on a Glock. Very few functioning pieces, extremely easy to break down and clean. It reliable, and will not fail to fire. When you break leather, it is going to work. The Glock has it’s draw backs as well, such as accuracy. A Glock out of the box is going to hold anywhere from a 2.5 to 5 inch group at 25 yards. Where a HK USP will hold 2 inch groups all day. A Sig will very due to use. Sig and HK USP’s during training I have seen fail to feed, and double feed stoppages in training. I have never seen a stoppage other then bad ammo with a Glock. This bringing the belief that the Glock is superior in performance.
Now as for teaching some one to use a HK USP and Sig, they have a long double action pull and then almost a single action pull. This means you have to practice for two different types of trigger control, and your first shot being a double action followed by a single action pull. Now you add in the stress of a two way firing range, your 2 inch groups just went to shit (even if you do pick up sights) Glock maintains the same trigger weight and same pull all the way through the trigger. Meaning you will only need to learn one form of trigger control. Accuracy can be expected to say the same.
Most LEA’s did not go to the Glock b/c they could offer less training, but b/c the training showed better results. If you take two new recruits, give one a Glock and one a Sig. Offer them the same amount of training, the recruit with a Glock will be more proficient then the recruit with the Sig. This was proven by the San Antonio Police Department in the early 90’s.
As for performance, most every Fed/ Sta/ Loc agencies are now using Glock. Foreign nations military and LE, and even our own Security contractors such as Black Water. It’s hard to argue that they are all wrong, by going with a Glock. They have the money, and research available to the to test. And they chose GLOCK…
Now the disclaimer, I own a Sig 226, HK USP 9mm, SA 1911MC Operator, Glock 22. If I had the choice to carry one as a LEO, or in combat. I would carry the Glock b/c of the reliability…
Please veiw this link: http://www.theprepared.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=90&Item