should these guys be covered under French SOF? Not saying that they should, just asking for opinions.
FFL 2REP & DINOPS
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Boondocksaint375
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I have no idea, BKK gave me this list:
13eme RDP
1er RPIMA
BFST
CM - Commando Hubert
CM - ECTLO
CM - Penfentenyo, Montfort, Trépel and Jaubert
CPA10, 20 et 30
DAOS
GCP
RESCO
We have just 3 in there now, and will probably add more when we get more non-us membership that want it.
13eme RDP
1er RPIMA
BFST
CM - Commando Hubert
CM - ECTLO
CM - Penfentenyo, Montfort, Trépel and Jaubert
CPA10, 20 et 30
DAOS
GCP
RESCO
We have just 3 in there now, and will probably add more when we get more non-us membership that want it.
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glock-bkk
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CopenhagenDetox,
Those guys are from "Shock Troops" and Elite Regiments, Foreign Legion and 3rd RPIMa (Regiment Parachutiste d'Infanterie de Marine). DINOPS is a parachute trained combat diver unit assigned to the Legion Etranger's 6eme Regiment Etranger de Genie.
The list I gave to Boondocksaint375 cover all 'pure' Special Forces units and Regiments. The COS (Special Operations Command) is joint service unit that draws on the special operations forces of the three armed services. It may select Special units and commandos from the "Shock Troops" during OPS.
Those guys are from "Shock Troops" and Elite Regiments, Foreign Legion and 3rd RPIMa (Regiment Parachutiste d'Infanterie de Marine). DINOPS is a parachute trained combat diver unit assigned to the Legion Etranger's 6eme Regiment Etranger de Genie.
The list I gave to Boondocksaint375 cover all 'pure' Special Forces units and Regiments. The COS (Special Operations Command) is joint service unit that draws on the special operations forces of the three armed services. It may select Special units and commandos from the "Shock Troops" during OPS.
Understood. Thanks for the input, Glock.
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G-2
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If memory serves
If my memory serves me correctly the 2rep are the best there is for free fall parachuting. Just thought I'ld add my 2 cent worth.
If my memory serves me correctly the 2rep are the best there is for free fall parachuting. Just thought I'ld add my 2 cent worth.
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G-2
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Not quite
They are not just a standard static line unit. 2REP are trained in both HALO and HAHO freefall jumping technique.As for being regular their history to date reflects otherwise.
They are not just a standard static line unit. 2REP are trained in both HALO and HAHO freefall jumping technique.As for being regular their history to date reflects otherwise.
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G-2
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Ah
My mistake and humble apology for the missunderstanding, I was treating the REP as a whole, GCP are HAHO and HALO.
I will apply an element of personal philosophy to my mistake, when one says "I have learned all there is to learn" then that person has stopped learning.
My mistake and humble apology for the missunderstanding, I was treating the REP as a whole, GCP are HAHO and HALO.
I will apply an element of personal philosophy to my mistake, when one says "I have learned all there is to learn" then that person has stopped learning.
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glock-bkk
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G-2,
2eme REP, like the 3eme RPIMa (my former regiment) operate under the command of the 11eme Division Parachutiste. Yes, each regiment contains an elite platoon with freefall specialists and that unit is called CRAP: Long range action & recon commando. "Shock Troops" make hardcore and highly-trained soldiers but they aren't SOF. Like Pradus762 said, they are "basic" airborne troopers.
2eme REP, like the 3eme RPIMa (my former regiment) operate under the command of the 11eme Division Parachutiste. Yes, each regiment contains an elite platoon with freefall specialists and that unit is called CRAP: Long range action & recon commando. "Shock Troops" make hardcore and highly-trained soldiers but they aren't SOF. Like Pradus762 said, they are "basic" airborne troopers.
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G-2
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Ah
Ex legion,
Very good sir. However I'm not sure if I would class them as basic, the history of their operations does tend to suggest they are a cut above the average.
As an example I would use Colnel Erulins 1978 2REP jump into Kolwezi (Zaire's shaba province). Anti French sentiment in the area made the Legionaires targets anywhere they went. Despite this they managed to rescue all trapped European nationals. However if you say so I will not take it further, I assume given your particular background you know full well what your talking about.
Ex legion,
Very good sir. However I'm not sure if I would class them as basic, the history of their operations does tend to suggest they are a cut above the average.
As an example I would use Colnel Erulins 1978 2REP jump into Kolwezi (Zaire's shaba province). Anti French sentiment in the area made the Legionaires targets anywhere they went. Despite this they managed to rescue all trapped European nationals. However if you say so I will not take it further, I assume given your particular background you know full well what your talking about.
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glock-bkk
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I think you misunderstood me G-2... I have great respect for the Foreign Legion and I am proud of our French Elite troops. Now I have to call it "basic" because even you're an expert in combat, you may not be a SOF. A SOF personnel require greater proficiency and specialization than is normally found in conventional military units. I will post more about "Shock Troops" and others units the next few weeks...
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BrunoForestier
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DINOPS / GCP
A common misconception is that the French Foreign Legion is special forces....which I'm sure many on this board already know. However in terms of esprit d'corps, ability, and training..you can equate them to the US Army Rangers. (And it's not a snub to the Rangers or their abilities). But overall and techinically, the only "Special Forces" regiments and units of the FFK that operate under the umbrella of the French Special Forces Command (COS) are the 2REP, and within the 2REP the GCP (Paratrooper Commando Group). If I'm not mistaken DINOPs of the 2REG (2nd Foreign Engineer Regiment) also fall within the COS umbrealla. Some people equate DINOPS to the Navy SEALS, which may or may not be correct, but I won't open that can of worms. Each nations warriors perform their duty as needed.
A common misconception is that the French Foreign Legion is special forces....which I'm sure many on this board already know. However in terms of esprit d'corps, ability, and training..you can equate them to the US Army Rangers. (And it's not a snub to the Rangers or their abilities). But overall and techinically, the only "Special Forces" regiments and units of the FFK that operate under the umbrella of the French Special Forces Command (COS) are the 2REP, and within the 2REP the GCP (Paratrooper Commando Group). If I'm not mistaken DINOPs of the 2REG (2nd Foreign Engineer Regiment) also fall within the COS umbrealla. Some people equate DINOPS to the Navy SEALS, which may or may not be correct, but I won't open that can of worms. Each nations warriors perform their duty as needed.
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Boondocksaint375
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Thanks for your input
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G-2
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Sense prevails and happy am I
I wish this kind of sense was displayed by more people (myself included on one ocasion many years ago). I have lost count of how many times i have heard the who's better than who bullshit. So I commend you sir for your display of common sense.
dastim
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They're not true SF like the 1eme RPIMA, though they have some commando training; the level 1 and 2 courses at mt. Louis (8weeks worth) plus the 3 month Operational Chutist course (HALO/HAHO). I believe they evolved out of the old pathfinder section, then became the SOGH (High Altitude Jump Team) in 1965, then CRAP (Recon and Deep Operations Commando) in 1982, then GCP in 1999 when the French finally figured out what CRAP meant in english. Each regiment in the French para brigade has 1 to 3 ten man teams.
dastim
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My 2 cents worth ...
DINOPS maybe. But the GCP is a poor cousin to the 1eme RPIMA and the GCM to the 13eme RDP so neither should be included in with the French 1st circle forces. Guess that's why the French consider them to be in the 2nd circle.
Thank god we have you and your expertise here to set straight a seven year old thread.
