First Post

Alright Cback im posting :

Hello all, im currently a High School Senior and have been looking into 18X for approximately 5 months now.
Im a JROTC cadet, received an 84 on my ASVAB with a 121 GT
I work out everyday at 430 as well as serve as a personal physical trainer with other students from my school.
I meet all requirement for the army and want to serve as long as possible.

Now, I know tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of people "want to be Special Forces" because they want to be whats shown in movies, the A-Team that busts into a country, and walks out after doing ridiculous stuff lol. But, I have a different motive in mind. I would actually like to be on an FID team, and get to, instead of causing tons of destruction, help other countries.

- Being a "personal trainer" would sound good on a Bally Total Fitness interview, but it's more likely to be taken negatively in the SOF community. If you have a true specialty (CrossFit, powerlifting, track, boxing, etc), then include it- it's more valuable.
- Every team does FID, most of the military does FID. It's SFs way of specifically describing a mission set. If FID gives you a feeling of fulfillment, you are probably a raging liberal. If you are a true conservative or libertarian, FID will be, in most cases, un-American to you. However, you will do it because you are a member of a democratic society, in a military under civilian leadership, and will execute the American agenda as those leaders see fit.
- If you don't want to cause tons of destruction, don't join SF. Causing tons of destruction is the name of the game, whether we do it ourselves or through surrogates, and whether it's overt, covert, or clandestine. It's not always to people or infrastructure, there are plenty of networks and governments that get it, too. If you want to help countries through positive, 'feel good' actions- look into CA.
 
I hope I'm not going out of my lane but I think this needs to be said.

I agree with SkrewzLoose on how you have good intentions, but as a SF soldier you aren't only going to be doing FID. That is one of the six primary missions US Army SF have. You will be trained to kill people and may have to do so. If that's not your cup of coffee, then you need to re-evaluate your goals. If your only objective is to help less fortunate people in impoverished countries, sign up with some church group, go over to impoverished countries, and aid their less fortunate people.
 
I hope I'm not going out of my lane but I think this needs to be said.

I agree with SkrewzLoose on how you have good intentions, but as a SF soldier you aren't only going to be doing FID. That is one of the six primary missions US Army SF have. You will be trained to kill people and may have to do so. If that's not your cup of coffee, then you need to re-evaluate your goals. If your only objective is to help less fortunate people in impoverished countries, sign up with some church group, go over to impoverished countries, and aid their less fortunate people.

You hope you aren't going out of your lane, but then you want to tell someone about what they will do while in the Special Forces?

This will offend some people I like, but it needs to be said:

If you haven't "walked the walk" then maybe you don't need to post in this thread or offer up advice.
 
You hope you aren't going out of your lane, but then you want to tell someone about what they will do while in the Special Forces?

This will offend some people I like, but it needs to be said:

If you haven't "walked the walk" then maybe you don't need to post in this thread or offer up advice.

My bad. Will not happen again.
 
Okay, I have been known to make a mistake or two (not just on websites) but then again, so does everyone. I will do my best to keep my grammar in check.

After reading thoroughly through most (if not every) link that has been posted in this thread or relates to this thread I have decided to share my 'story'.

Similar to other replies; I don't deserve a spot in SOF. I don't deserve anything in life, as a teacher once told me "You are obligated to work for everything in life. Nothing comes to you and life sure as hell 'ain't fair."

Now for my story/rant:

I am 17 years old, finishing up my last semester in school (Four months to be exact) and have been 'working' towards the Canadian Forces for about two years now. I have only taken the past year or so more serious (however, after reading many posts- I shouldn't be taking it so 'serious') towards obtaining my goal; earning the Tan Beret and getting into CANSOF. I still like to think of myself as an average teenager; going to parties, chasing girls, the works except throughout my young life i've always been told I am "very mature for my age" blah blah blah. I don't know why, but I never really took that in as a 'complement'. I interpreted it as being singled out. Anyways, throughout my "young" life I have always been fascinated by the Military. I never understood why people would look up to celebrities. I always thought that if I were given the chance to get an autograph of somebody it would be someone who served in the Armed Forces. Just the way I thought, for obvious reasons. No questions asked. I was never really in to sports though, that was until (bear with me) I started playing paintball. That's when I learned the true meaning of a 'Team Sport'. It was all about the guy next to you and trusting them with your 'life' (I use that term very, very loosely). As I played more and more it became apparent that we weren't just a 'team' or a group of 'friends'. We were family. It was the only way to get some of the trust from each other.

Fast forward 3 or so years and I quit paintball. Sold all my gear (bloody expensive for one, I'll tell you that much). I wanted to go 'pro' and move down south to California blah blah blah, but that's another story. I said "I'm going to go into the Military. That's what I want to do- that's my dream." Fast forward to March 2011. I finished all my paperwork and head on down to the recruiters' office. I was going to join the Reserves for my last year and a half of HS and then transfer over to the 'regs'. After chatting with the Recruiter, I was told that it didn't make any sense to go into the reserves, get all my paperwork for the reserves and then transfer out. I was told it would just be a hassle and a pain in the ass for me. He told me that I should just focus on school and so that's what I did. It was rough, but it was the truth. Then I had some (what I used to call) 'hard times'. Was bullied (I was kind of a puss), and figured it would be hard to stay at that school without smashing each and every one of 'their' faces in. Switched schools blah blah blah. Now although it sucked to go through that with people that I used to all "friends" I was and still am glad that it happened. I realized how stupid 'they' and I were, when together; I would skip school, not complete my shit, and look at everything as a hassle. I got my act together and focused on my goal; getting into the Army (yes, and finishing school. Goal #1). As cliche as it sounds; for as long as there have been 'people', there have been warriors and I want- no need to be in that brotherhood. The more I read the more I was hooked. I love being pushed and I love pushing my self. In my opinion, I can never do something perfect but I can be damn near 'perfect' every time and push my self harder and harder. Things like: "Oh my gosh, it's so cold!", "Ugh, I have to pay my phone bill..", "This sucks..", "I can't do it", "This is hard." (refrain from the jokes gentlemen) etc - i'm sure you get the point - were starting to piss me off.

A 'Civilian' life is not for me. And although it's not all about the fancy gadgets, kicking down doors and jumping out of airplanes, it plays a huge part into why I want to go into SOF. Problem is, I (most civvies) just don't know enough as i'd like to on CANSOF (but as much as I need to know). I'll put it into context as if I lived down south. Without a doubt I would go into the USN and work my ass off to become a SEAL. I love the water, I don't care for the cold (yes, after reading many books on frogmen, including Lone Survivor the word 'cold' has a whole new meaning), and I want to be a part of that brotherhood. Whilst reading Lone Survivor, I once again knew that the SOF community was right for me. It's not about the glory or feeling I want to be the best it's about living that way of life and doing something I feel is my calling and nothing will stop me from reaching that goal. Everyone is capable of becoming the best of themselves but not everyone is 'right' for the military and although I have no idea if I am 'right' for CANSOF (I will know soon) I am sure as hell 'right' for the military. I am ready to sacrifice anything and everything to fight with the elite of the elite and kill every f*cker that is an 'enemy' of Canada and it's Allies.

Now, I would just like to thank all the mods and members for setting this up. This is truly what people need if they want to get into this profession. I can't describe how grateful I am, not only for your service, but for the help you are giving to others.

Now back to lurking
 
To be honest, I still don't think I have said half of what I truly want to say. For some reason I just can't find the words to describe how I feel. I'll see what i'm like in the morning.

P.S. Sorry for the double post.
 
I don't deserve a spot in SOF. I don't deserve anything in life,
Nobody does, but that means someone has to stand up and TAKE those spots. Most guys know they don't deserve a spot, but damn well know there is one waiting for them- so they get out there and take it.

And although it's not all about the fancy gadgets, kicking down doors and jumping out of airplanes,
No, it's also about throwing around heavy ass barbells and destrominating badass workouts. It's also about chicks, for the good guys, too- most SOF wives are hot. It may fit into the gadget category, but it's also about shooting sweet guns from ridiculous distances, in crazy conditions, from an insane position. What I'm saying is, it's 80% boring, 20% badassery- live your life for the 20%.
 
Nobody does, but that means someone has to stand up and TAKE those spots. Most guys know they don't deserve a spot, but damn well know there is one waiting for them- so they get out there and take it.


Fucking A

No, it's also about throwing around heavy ass barbells and destrominating badass workouts. It's also about chicks, for the good guys, too- most SOF wives are hot. It may fit into the gadget category, but it's also about shooting sweet guns from ridiculous distances, in crazy conditions, from an insane position. What I'm saying is, it's 80% boring, 20% badassery- live your life for the 20%.

Too true!
 
Nobody does, but that means someone has to stand up and TAKE those spots. Most guys know they don't deserve a spot, but damn well know there is one waiting for them- so they get out there and take it.

Roger that. And that's what i'll do (try to, anyways)

What I'm saying is, it's 80% boring, 20% badassery- live your life for the 20%.
Mind if I quote you on that? Fucking awesome!
 
Warning: Wall of Text incoming. I sat down and thought a lot about this before I typed it out. Sorry if it's a bit much, I had some diarrhea of the brain/keyboard.


The first time I heard about MARSOC was from my friend Diego, a fellow Sergeant. After he brought it up, I kept researching and digging. Back then, it was about the thrill of being a “HSLD Door Kicker,” the “coolness,” if you will, of being a (Critical Skills) Operator. Now, I’d done PT on a regular basis, enough to keep myself around 155#. I’d run a MCMAP course, in August in Arizona, and thought I was in good shape. I did a few light-ruck hikes in Yuma, nothing too crazy, but I thought it would be plenty. I didn’t adhere to the “10 Week Plan” to the letter; I thought I was fine. I figured, “Hell, I’m from Arizona, I’ve been in a pool almost year round my whole life,” and I had just finished my 2nd Class swim qual. I waited until the following year, after I’d had a chance to finish Sgt’s Course. I left for A&S (this was prior to the implementation of ASPOC) in May of 2010, thinking I would do just fine.

Was I ever wrong.

Without going into too many details, I arrived and got started. After hearing the CO and SgtMaj speak about MARSOC and what it stood for, I decided “this is for me; this is what I was meant for.” That was my introduction to the people, the lifestyle, and the mindset of MARSOC. I knew that I hadn’t even scratched the surface, though, and was overwhelmed with the possibilities I thought were right ahead of me with this fine organization.

All of this was floating around in my head, right up until the time came to get in the pool. At the time, I was still thinking to myself that it would be a cakewalk. I love jumping off towers and boards into the pool, no big. Then came the 300m swim. Still thinking I was off to a great start, I jumped in and started my normal side stroke. Very quickly I became aware of just how out of shape I really was and the trouble I was in. I hit the bottom halfway through my 3rd lap, got warned, and I stopped. I finally realized I was so far out of my league, that these people swimming around me were willing and able to push themselves so much further, and I would fail them when it mattered. I’m not making excuses, I plain screwed up, and I was going to pay the price. So it was out of the pool with this candidate. I was told that I could try again at a later date, and checked out. Shortly thereafter I found myself on a plane home.

After I got back, I got orders across the street to a new squadron. I knew I wanted to go back and try again, at some point. But at the same time, I was comfortable in my new shop and decided to put my MARSOC quest on hold for a while. My first month at my new squadron, I was awarded the opportunity to travel to the Mountain Warfare Training Center (or MWTC) in Bridgeport, CA and role-play aggressors for the grunts. I had a blast there, and learned a lot from the short time I was amongst the ground-side. I also realized how screwed I would’ve been if I’d somehow made it past the swim portion of A&S. After a month of walking around at 10,000+ feet in real, no-shit mountains - even with a light pack - I knew that it was a serious thing, it wasn’t just “oh, a few miles in boots and a pack, no big deal.” Fortunately for me, my feet withstood the experience and I was at least glad for that. I think my time in Bridgeport was the most enjoyable I’ve had in the Corps thus far. It opened my eyes to a whole new world of “things Marines do.”

While at my new shop, I started to think about other career options if I decided to get out at the end of this enlistment. My wife had just started a new job and was making her way up the ranks, and we were happy in Yuma. I started looking at other jobs in the local area that I could try for, like the Sheriff’s Office, or Border Patrol, or something in a completely different field altogether. (I’m a bit of a tech-nut, I love building and benchmarking and pushing computers, and thought about opening my own shop). So my desire for MARSOC slowly got pushed further to the back of my mind, until it basically wasn’t a consideration anymore.

A few months later, I saw an article about this new “ASPOC” thing being implemented, and thought that it sounded absolutely brilliant. I remember talking with a couple of the cadre during my check-out procedure, about the attrition rates at my class and prior classes, and I was shocked. Shortly after that, I got word that I’d be deploying on the 11th MEU. After a false-start date of June and a few workups, we finally got underway in November of 2011. The first couple months out were pretty dull, and I had a lot of free time. After talking to a couple of guys in my shop who had been reading about MARSOC, I decided to do some researching. After a couple hours of reading, my desire to try for MARSOC again was stronger than ever. I decided to stop kidding myself that I could be happy just EAS’ing and getting a regular job, without having pushed myself to do A&S until I was selected or told I was no longer welcome to return. MARSOC was and is everything that I want/wanted to do, and now I had a far better reason than the “cool factor” that got me interested in the first place. Personally, I feel I’ve done a lot of growing up in the past 2 years, since my first attempt. I understand a lot more thoroughly what is required of the individuals that are a part of MARSOC, the kind of drive and determination that makes them elite. So my reasons have changed, from simply “that sounds like a fun job, flashbangs and HALOs and sniping, oh my” to knowing that this is going to take every last bit of effort on my part, and then some. I want to find out how far I can go, and push past that. I want to be a part of that group of people, the elites, that know how to push themselves. I want to earn that opportunity, that privilege, to work with these people, to be a part of that fraternity. I don’t want to just “settle” for something I know I can do without too much effort on my part. I’d be bored out of my mind, and I’d never stop kicking myself and wondering if I could have made it.

So, I’m quoting Etype here:
“What I'm saying is, it's 80% boring, 20% badassery- live your life for the 20%.” I want to live for that 20%.

That’s where I’m at now. I cut the junk out of my diet, and I’m not on my ass watching movies and playing Xbox with the rest of the shop anymore. I found out there’s a SEAL Fit instructor doing classes on board, so I’m jumping in there. I’m doing Spin classes on the off days. (Hell, I’ve even started learning Arabic. Thank you, Rosetta Stone.) I’m learning how to prepare myself like I didn’t do last time. I can’t do any hiking or swimming out here, but dammit, I can push myself as hard as I can to get ready so that when I get home, that “10 week plan” isn’t so daunting. I plan on being as prepared as I possibly can for the next ASPOC I can slot into. And I’m looking for like-minded people, especially those who have been where I’m at and made it. (Shout out to HolyBear, your story is an inspiration to me; yours and isfriday’s thread is what got me to this site, and I’ve been soaking up information like a sponge ever since.)

I’ll end this with another of Etype’s quotes:
“Nobody does, but that means someone has to stand up and TAKE those spots. Most guys know they don't deserve a spot, but damn well know there is one waiting for them- so they get out there and take it.”

Etype, I’d like to thank you for your proverbial “kick in the ass” here.
 
What is incorrect about my grammar? I was told by Cback to post what I want to do. So, that's what I did.

One thing I have to say... arguing with any "Verified Military" or especially any "Verified SOF" in this area is probably not the best idea you ever had. Whiny, unresearched posts like that quoted above are a 10 pound bag of fail. Please rethink your goals and/or adjust your attitude.
 
Introduction that explains why you want to come to SOF/Why you want to be my teammate:

It was last year, my first year of college, when I met a 23 year old marine that would change the entire course of my life. This man was a Marine Corps scout sniper who had just left the military to attend college. We met at a party and ended up becoming very close friends. There where a few things I initially noticed about him. 1. impeccable posture 2. groomed appearance 3. confidence 4. extremely clean house 5. successful and talented at everything he tried. I envied this Marine, his success in life and with women was undoubtedly incredible.

When this Marine offered me the chance to be his roommate for this year I jumped at the opportunity. I was so excited, I though that perhaps a fraction of this man's success may rub off on me. Lets just say that the first few weeks of living with a Marine was like jumping into an ice cold lake; It was a giant wake up call. I have quite a few memorable events from this year. Like when I was picked up by my throat because the floor was sticky in the kitchen from a mess I had made earlier and had not cleaned up. Or the time after leaving the back door to the house unlocked he stood over me and let me know that if his belongings were ever stolen because I left the door unlocked that he would kill me. Many men would think about moving out after incidents like that, they might have thought that this man is abusive, or that they are a victim. I however am thankful for every incident just like these

He helped me realize that I had NO attention to detail, that I was a very dirty and unorganized person, and last that I had no discipline nor self control.

Throughout the course of this year I have changed so much. I can now say that I am a very clean person, that I have an attention to detail greater than that of my college peers, and that my discipline and self control are improving. I am now happier and more successful than I have ever been in my life. Why? Because I was held to a higher standard.

Why do I want to be in SOF? Because:
I want to be continuously torn down and rebuilt as a stronger person.
I want order and discipline to be an integral part of my life.
I want to be challenged everyday.
I want to find out what my limits really are.
I want to be held to the highest standards that a man can be held to.

specific SOF goals:Army SF


why you think you deserve to be here:
I am dedicated to growing and improving myself to meet and exceed the standards SF are held to. I have an gift for learning languages. I am interested in foreign cultures. Excellent athleticism.

the research you have done on those goals:
researched:


History, mission, and role of SF
SFAS
Training pipeline beyond SFAS
Attrition rates

the steps you have already taken to meet them:
Purchased
Get Selected!
Currently majoring in Arabic.
Correcting Running form to improve long distance run times.
Saving money to purchase boots and pack for rucking practice.
Saving money for corrective eye surgery (shooting for 18x option)



what you see as your current plan of action:
1. Get into contact with people who can help me reach my goal
2. Finish College with excellent grades ( 2 years left)
3. Develop a training regime for physical fitness specific to SFAS
4. Develop land navigation skills, rope climbing, conquer fear of heights

I would really like a mentor!
 
I apologize in advance for this double post I just realized their is no edit function on these forums,

I felt I needed to add a few more reasons why I want to be in SF. I posted mostly reasons that where a bit boyscoutish. A huge component of my motivations for SF are that I was the opportunity to see combat and a hell of a lot of it. In fierce confrontations, in remote places, utilizing special skills, against superior forces. I want an experience standard infantry cannot provide. I do not want to sit in garrison. I want to deploy frequently.
 
~snip

Why do I want to be in SOF? Because:
I want to be continuously torn down and rebuilt as a stronger person.
I want order and discipline to be an integral part of my life.
I want to be challenged everyday.
I want to find out what my limits really are.
I want to be held to the highest standards that a man can be held to.



I would really like a mentor!

You know what they say, "be careful what you wish for, you just might get it". :D
Will your eye surgery effect your chances for a contract at all?
Best of luck to you in the world of SOF Selection.
 
It was last year, my first year of college, when I met a 23 year old Marine that would change the entire course of my life. This man was a Marine Corps scout sniper who had just left the military to attend college. We met at a party and ended up becoming very close friends. There where a few things I initially noticed about him. 1. impeccable posture 2. groomed appearance 3. confidence 4. extremely clean house 5. successful and talented at everything he tried. I envied this Marine, his success in life and with women was undoubtedly incredible.

Like when I was picked up by my throat because the floor was sticky in the kitchen from a mess I had made earlier and had not cleaned up. Or the time after leaving the back door to the house unlocked he stood over me and let me know that if his belongings were ever stolen because I left the door unlocked that he would kill me. Many men would think about moving out after incidents like that, they might have thought that this man is abusive, or that they are a victim. I however am thankful for every incident just like these

What? Let me get this straight, you liked how a Marine SS looked, the way his house looked, and the fact he got laid. So you moved in with him, and then he proceeded to assault you and threaten to kill you. And because of that, you want to be SF? Your roommate sounds like a real jackass and there's nothing "cool" about his behavior, if the stories you told are indeed true.
 
Jua- Don't get too crazy with specificity, especially if you have 2 years of college left. Work on developing a high level of general fitness. If you can do pull ups, you'll be able to climb ropes, and if you can run and are strong, you'll be able to ruck. If you show up to basic training having never worn a ruck or boots, as long as you are at a high level of fitness, you'll be just fine. There's a lot of carryover between the different aspects of fitness, so there's not much of a point in burning yourself out now on the boring stuff- have fun with it.

Also, if you get eye surgery, make sure it's PRK.
 
And BTW- Marine Scout Sniper ≠ Army SF
We're comparing apples to potatoes here.
 
What? Let me get this straight, you liked how a Marine SS looked, the way his house looked, and the fact he got laid. So you moved in with him, and then he proceeded to assault you and threaten to kill you. And because of that, you want to be SF? Your roommate sounds like a real jackass and there's nothing "cool" about his behavior, if the stories you told are indeed true.
I didn't think his behavior was cool and he is indeed a jackass. But you would have to know more about the nature of our friendship to truly understand. I train mixed martial arts and jiu jitsu, more often than not we spend our time trying to catch each other off guard and tap each other out. The point I was emphasizing here was that when people are held to higher standards they become better people.

I want to be SF because I saw how influential the military was on this man's life. I have always wanted to be SOF. These experiences simply solidified my resolve.
 
I used to be pretty involved in MMA/Judo, and gave it a pretty solid try at being friends with the people I knew from it, recently, I've tried to be friendly with some civilian shooters- it's definitely not the same. The bond just isn't there.
 
I used to be pretty involved in MMA/Judo, and gave it a pretty solid try at being friends with the people I knew from it, recently, I've tried to be friendly with some civilian shooters- it's definitely not the same. The bond just isn't there.
Have you tried a good at a boy ass slap. It always brings men together especially if one of them is homophobic.
 
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