How about that Hunter Biden laptop...

Hunter Biden isn't a former president, brother. Although it wouldn't surprise me if this is not an uncommon thing for family members of sitting presidents. I wonder how much it cost for a security detail for Jared Kushner. I assume he had one.

Edited to add: the article answered my question:

In the first year of Donald Trump's presidency, the Secret Service requested $60 million of additional funding to protect Trump and his family, with about $27 million of that going to protecting them at their private residency at the Trump Tower in New York City, according to internal agency documents obtained by the Washington Post at that time.

^damn that's a lot of money!

People don't want to talk about the threats against that president that occurred that created a situation where they needed to increase protections around his properties even when he wasn't there. But this does remind me of the West Wing episode involving Santos after the election and the director of Sec Service is discussing fencing and guard shacks on the incoming first family's home of record.

Perhaps this is the cost of doing business. But he shouldn't get a 30k/month Malibu mansion either.
 
People don't want to talk about the threats against that president that occurred that created a situation where they needed to increase protections around his properties even when he wasn't there. But this does remind me of the West Wing episode involving Santos after the election and the director of Sec Service is discussing fencing and guard shacks on the incoming first family's home of record.

Perhaps this is the cost of doing business. But he shouldn't get a 30k/month Malibu mansion either.
I thought that was the cost of the residence for the security detail? I might need to look back at the article again.

If it is for the detail, then it might actually make financial sense for them to rent out the house, even at that cost, if it's the entire detail.

For example, if decent local hotels are like $250 a night, then that's $7500 a month per person. If there are more than 4 people on the detail, then getting a house, where they're all together, is equal to or less than everyone having their own hotel room. It probably is better for coordination and security as well. Even if they get a .gov discounted rate, if the team has a lot of people on it, it might still be cheaper.
 
Hunter Biden isn't a former president, brother. Although it wouldn't surprise me if this is not an uncommon thing for family members of sitting presidents. I wonder how much it cost for a security detail for Jared Kushner. I assume he had one.

Edited to add: the article answered my question:

In the first year of Donald Trump's presidency, the Secret Service requested $60 million of additional funding to protect Trump and his family, with about $27 million of that going to protecting them at their private residency at the Trump Tower in New York City, according to internal agency documents obtained by the Washington Post at that time.

^damn that's a lot of money!

There doesn't seem to be any limit on expenses when it comes to Presidential security. Construction of the underground "bunker" in the White House lawn that Trump was apparently rushed to when the BLM riots got too close was begun during the Obama Administration, in 2010. You don't need to go 5-stories deep to "upgrade utilities."

Boeing has been developing a Plasma Force Shield using microwave technology to instantaneously heat molecules to create an anti-shockwave force field around a vehicle or aircraft. Word is Air Force One would be the first recipient of the technology once (and if) it becomes operational.

The Secret Service is budgeting 2-billion a year for protection for the President and family. That's open-source. But I think all they need to do is ask if they need more. And a lot of it has got to be classified.
 
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There doesn't seem to be any limit on expenses when it comes to Presidential security. Construction of the underground "bunker" in the White House lawn that Trump was apparently rushed to when the BLM riots got too close was begun during the Obama Administration, in 2010. You don't need to go 5-stories deep to "upgrade utilities."

Boeing has been developing a Plasma Force Shield using microwave technology to instantaneously heat molecules to create an anti-shockwave force field around a vehicle or aircraft. Word is Air Force One would be the first recipient of the technology once (and if) it becomes operational.

The Secret Service is budgeting 2-billion a year for protection for the President and family. That's open-source. But I think all they need to do is ask if they need more. And a lot of it has got to be classified.
Some of the cushiest hotels I’ve stayed in were on VIPPSA missions. They damn sure don’t slouch on the protection detail’s lodging.
 
All facts aside of the new disinformation board severely censoring free speech, for situations like this, how will it play out for the government. The director of the board has multiple social media posts from this time period where she referred to this laptop as disinformation. Now the gentleman that came forward with the laptop is suing social media and news outlets for loss of business.

If this new disinformation board falsely labels something as disinformation, and there are financial repercussions to a business, is the government now held liable for any financial losses?

Hunter Biden Laptop Whistleblower Sues Schiff, CNN, the Daily Beast , Politico
 
All facts aside of the new disinformation board severely censoring free speech, for situations like this, how will it play out for the government. The director of the board has multiple social media posts from this time period where she referred to this laptop as disinformation. Now the gentleman that came forward with the laptop is suing social media and news outlets for loss of business.

If this new disinformation board falsely labels something as disinformation, and there are financial repercussions to a business, is the government now held liable for any financial losses?

Hunter Biden Laptop Whistleblower Sues Schiff, CNN, the Daily Beast , Politico
The "Disinformation Board" is probably worthy of its own thread, although like you pointed out there is a direct connection between its director and the Hunter Biden laptop scandal. One of the big takeaways from this is that it's yet another example of how regularly wrong "experts" are in their purported areas of expertise, and how we all need to critically consider each situation and not blindly follow "the science/experts/religion/our own biases/whatever."

The only thing I will say about the Misinformation Board on this thread is that it seems like a very conspicuously-bad idea, with an even worse roll-out. If this moves forward it's going to have to dig itself out of a huge credibility hole.
 
Yeah, nothing to see here... 🙄

You say a president’s relative is part of ifyy international deals?

America gets a good test of its rhetorical consistency

Analysis by Philip Bump National correspondent April 11, 2022 at 2:53 p.m. EDT

Donald Trump and his allies spent a large chunk of the 2016 election expressing outrage at how his opponent, Hillary Clinton, had used a private email server to conduct government business as secretary of state. Then Trump became president … and there were multiple reports of members of his administration using private email servers to conduct government business. Oops.

In the 2020 election, Trump’s line of attack was different. For the last few weeks of the campaign — and in fact, into the last few weeks of his presidency and beyond — Trump and his allies alleged malfeasance by Joe Biden less directly. Picking up a thread that began in 2019 as Trump tried to pressure Ukraine to announce a probe of his likely Democratic challenger, Republicans focused on business deals involving Biden’s son Hunter, elevating reports from conservative writer Peter Schweizer and others. Trump repeatedly suggested that Hunter Biden had leveraged his father’s position to enrich himself by making deals with foreign nationals.

Enter the New York Times. A few months after leaving the White House, Jared Kushner, Donald Trump’s son-in-law, reportedly landed a $2 billion investment from a Saudi Arabian fund controlled by Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman.

Oops. Two things are important to establish upfront.

First, that both the email and foreign investment issues involve questionable decisions by the involved parties. Conducting government business over nongovernmental email systems both increases the likelihood that proper records won’t be maintained and introduces a new point for illicit access. Making money on political access is certainly a well-established practice in Washington but often exists near hazy legal and moral territory.

Second, that the articulation of each issue above elides a lot of detail and context. The basic comparisons — using private email, making deals with international investors — unwind differently in each case and are equivalent only in the broad strokes.

But since the condemnations of Hunter Biden by Trump and others were often broad (and inaccurate), the new Times report offers a fair point of comparison.

Consider what Trump said during his speech at the Ellipse on Jan. 6, 2021 — well after the election had been decided.

“How come Hunter gets $3.5 million from the mayor of Moscow, his wife, and gets hundreds of thousands of dollars to sit on an energy board even though he admits he has no knowledge of energy?” Trump said. “And millions of dollars upfront. And how come they go into China and they leave with billions of dollars to manage. ‘Have you managed money before?’ ‘No, I haven’t.’ ‘Oh, that’s good. Here’s about 3 billion.’ ”


There are three claims here. The first is that Hunter Biden got $3.5 million from the wife of a former mayor of Moscow. This is not true. The second is that he sat on the board of a Ukrainian energy company, Burisma, earning money despite not having a track record on energy issues. This is true, and at least one government official expressed reservations about the agreement when Joe Biden served as vice president. The third is that his company was given billions of dollars to manage by Chinese investors, which is not known to be true. Hunter Biden was party to significant deals with Chinese energy interests and was involved in a deal to secure a cobalt mine.

Trump’s point wasn’t really about the specifics of the claims, obviously. It was generally to allege that the Biden family was engaged in sketchy activity and, at times, that Joe Biden himself was party to these business deals. (Proving this has been a particular source of fervor over the past 18 months, with various allegations about the current president having met with his son’s business partners receiving generally justified scrutiny.) It’s a very Trumpian effort to expand widespread skepticism about the extent to which Hunter Biden offered access to his father in exchange for personal wealth into something broader. Bringing us to the Times report.

“Six months after leaving the White House, Jared Kushner secured a $2 billion investment from a fund led by the Saudi crown prince, a close ally during the Trump administration, despite objections from the fund’s advisers about the merits of the deal,” the newspaper’s David D. Kirkpatrick and Kate Kelly report. “A panel that screens investments for the main Saudi sovereign wealth fund cited concerns about the proposed deal with Mr. Kushner’s newly formed private equity firm, Affinity Partners, previously undisclosed documents show. … But days later the full board of the $620 billion Public Investment Fund — led by Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, Saudi Arabia’s de facto ruler and a beneficiary of Mr. Kushner’s support when he worked as a White House adviser — overruled the panel.”

Got that? Billions of dollars given to Donald Trump’s son-in-law, despite concerns about the fund’s “inexperience” — one of the objections raised by that screening board. It’s essentially what Trump alleged about Hunter Biden on Jan. 6, with two important differences. The first is that there’s ample evidence that the billions in investment actually came through. The second is that Kushner is both one step removed from Trump (as Hunter Biden is removed from his father) and was an administration official in his own right.

It is the case that the breadth of Hunter Biden’s international financial activity appears to have been broader than Kushner’s, but this is not the only entanglement between Kushner and foreign investors. During Trump’s presidency and while Kushner worked in the West Wing, a Qatari-linked company bailed out a Kushner investment in Manhattan.

We arrive back where we began. In each case, qualifiers and howevers can be applied to rationalize specific deals and investments. But in each case there lingers a question of what dividends those international partners might have hoped to get for their investments beyond financial ones.

We should not expect Trump to acknowledge how his past rhetoric might now apply to his son-in-law. When his daughter Ivanka (Jared’s wife) was revealed to have used a private email account while she served in his administration, Trump declined to engage on the apparent hypocrisy, instead reportedly choosing to try to distract the press from the story.

According to former national security adviser John Bolton, Trump released a statement praising Mohammed bin Salman — then under fire for his role in the murder of Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi — with the hopes of “tak[ing] over the Ivanka thing,” as Bolton wrote.

And now Mohammed is reportedly in business with Ivanka Trump’s husband.

Here is a fairly balance article - How bad is Hunter Biden’s legal jeopardy?
 
“Six months after leaving the White House, Jared Kushner secured a $2 billion investment from a fund led by the Saudi crown prince, a close ally during the Trump administration, despite objections from the fund’s advisers about the merits of the deal,” the newspaper’s David D. Kirkpatrick and Kate Kelly report. “A panel that screens investments for the main Saudi sovereign wealth fund cited concerns about the proposed deal with Mr. Kushner’s newly formed private equity firm, Affinity Partners, previously undisclosed documents show. … But days later the full board of the $620 billion Public Investment Fund — led by Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, Saudi Arabia’s de facto ruler and a beneficiary of Mr. Kushner’s support when he worked as a White House adviser — overruled the panel.”

Got that? Billions of dollars given to Donald Trump’s son-in-law, despite concerns about the fund’s “inexperience” — one of the objections raised by that screening board. It’s essentially what Trump alleged about Hunter Biden on Jan. 6, with two important differences. The first is that there’s ample evidence that the billions in investment actually came through. The second is that Kushner is both one step removed from Trump (as Hunter Biden is removed from his father) and was an administration official in his own right.

It is the case that the breadth of Hunter Biden’s international financial activity appears to have been broader than Kushner’s, but this is not the only entanglement between Kushner and foreign investors. During Trump’s presidency and while Kushner worked in the West Wing, a Qatari-linked company bailed out a Kushner investment in Manhattan.



And now Mohammed is reportedly in business with Ivanka Trump’s husband.

Here is a fairly balance article - How bad is Hunter Biden’s legal jeopardy?

In regards to the bolded nonsense in this article. Kushner was President and CEO of Kushner Companies until 2016. Which the CEO role became vacant and his siblings began acting as the Principal. They just appointed a new CEO in 2021 as Kushner did not resume his CEO role. Granted it was a real estate development and investment company. But it's disingenuous to say he hasn't been involved in the management of billions of dollars.
 
Can you imagine when YOU were getting your clearance that the investigator found YOUR VERSION of a HUNTER BIDEN in your family?

Let's just say, we probably wouldn't have gotten the clearance, especially if it was at the level of Braindead Biden....
 
Can you imagine when YOU were getting your clearance that the investigator found YOUR VERSION of a HUNTER BIDEN in your family?
Security background investigations' don't hop like that. As long as you're upfront, honest, and uninvolved, you aren't punished for the sins of your relatives.

Edited to add: a problem with addicts/criminals as relatives, for clearances, are the near constant security declarations often required by idiocy, lying, hoodwinking, etc- total pain in the ass, also likely very embarrassing at first. SSO's have heard the most wild shit-- people are so fucking stupid it's hard to believe.
 
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We get what we vote for and we continue to vote for the status quo.
The election was stolen. The people who cast their ballots for the kid sniffer wouldn't have done so if his ties to China, govt corruption, and tech censorship had been exposed.

But hey, deep state is gonna deep state. Now we're stuck with this mess.
 
The election was stolen. The people who cast their ballots for the kid sniffer wouldn't have done so if his ties to China, govt corruption, and tech censorship had been exposed.

But hey, deep state is gonna deep state. Now we're stuck with this mess.
Do you enjoy the conspiracy world you live in?

Like, it must be exhausting to rationalize how the "deep state" is somehow powerful enough to steal an election but weak enough that the information is so readily available (to you).
 
Do you enjoy the conspiracy world you live in?

Like, it must be exhausting to rationalize how the "deep state" is somehow powerful enough to steal an election but weak enough that the information is so readily available (to you).
Information is freely available, given enough time and analytical astuteness patterns pop up. Not my fault you don't wanna see behind the curtain.

Refresh my memory, weren't you one of the peeps here that called the Biden laptop misinfo? I recall there being a small group of people that were vehement deniers of govt corruption, regarding ol potato head.

 
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