ThunderHorse
Verified Military
Eh, we couldn't arm our helicopters until Vietnam, you had no interest and still have no interest in CAS. Army only has fixed wing aviation for intelligence and that's going away.
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The Quartermaster
Verified Military
I'm almost positive he agrees with you however he doesn't have any say in this in regards to his service's department as much as you and I have no say what the Army decides to do.
Maybe some of our influencers here should test the waters and plant the seed to unFUCK this garbage?
ThunderHorse
Verified Military
To be clear, by "you" it's the royal you and in this case the Air Force not him specifically.
This made me think a bit. AFSOC plays at NTC and some of those elements are also at Red Flag and the Air Force Weapons School. Air Force Air Liaison Officers are usually aircrew like pilots and backseaters, so there's some type of knowledge base there.
1) Does Red Flag involve Army Patriots?
2) Does Red Flag ever incorporate some type of Army presence?
3) It is 2026 and chuckleheads like us are thinking of this, surely the AF and Army have already done this, so why isn't it a thing?
The pieces of the puzzle are there, someone, somewhere killed this off.
ThunderHorse
Verified Military
When I worked at Division at Bliss we had one Air Force guy who was organic, obviously a combat weatherman. I don't know what section he was actually assigned because having a weather person in G5 probably would have been helpful at times.
Typically, those guys work in the 5 shop, specifically 5/3. Usually.
The weather is "5 knots, cleared to drop" and the rest goes on a risk assessment matrix no one will care about unless a 15-6 happens. Actual conditions are irrelevant because the First Sergeant or Sarn't Major aren't allowing Gore-Tex regardless.
We kept ours in the 2 shop. I had a couple of weather folks work for me over the course of my career.
Weather is normally part of the 2 shop.
Kraut783
SOF Support
What year was that? I know if got revised in the 50's, but always thought it was dead in the early 70's....curious how long it got dragged out.
1980's.
Best weather forecaster, was always the weather rock.
Kraut783
SOF Support
Thanks....Generals being territorial to the end...
There is a replacement program ongoing, first plane left Greenville recently. It'll be a JSTARS replacement.
ME-11B Official Designation Of Army's New Intelligence Gathering Business Jets
1. RED FLAG is essentially a forced entry exercise, so Patriots would be considered a friendly fire element.
They do have emitters to represent threat systems
2. Joint SOF have played, I don't know if it's every RF, but my old unit sent guys. Sometimes they play with a NTC rotation, but then your working two separate ranges.
He/she should have worked with/out of the 2 shop, and the assigned TACP should be working out of the 3 shop.
Might have a different experience here, but in yours why did they put them with Intel? More of the "recon" sort of vibe for weather?
The Army considers weather to be part of the IPB, Intel Prep of the Battlefield, process. The AF considers us to be part of mission planning process ( operations).
Not the whole answer, but historically the Army only had 5 shops, 1-4 and 6. S/G-5 wasn't really a thing for years. Maybe on paper or as a place to bury some extra bodies, but not in practice. The S-5, S-7, S-8-9,000 staff structure really took off in the GWOT. DA SWO covered the second part of my answer.
The Quartermaster
Verified Military
These people have a very short memory of what Delta does for a living and what they've done in the past...like killing everyone that was in that cell's group and stacking bodies so high that they decided to give their hostages up in hopes of getting Delta to stop killing them and going away.
US Journalist Shelly Kittleson Was Abducted in Iraq, Officials Say
US Journalist Shelly Kittleson Was Abducted in Iraq, Officials Say
Good. She ignored the very credible threats to her life and bravely chose to remain in country to give truth a voice. Her courage now provides other Americans the opportunity to die in yet another war brought about by an orange-skinned madman in chief who seeks to distract from his obvious ties to a murderous ring of pedophiles.
The above is sarcasm but my disdain for her and other twats like her is real. Because of her selfishness other Americans get to risk their lives to rescue her. Her selfishness means we're devoting time, energy, and resources to finding and rescuing her, things we could better spend on prosecuting this war.
