Israel and Iran

[DA SWO]

Is the Army owning ADA a sarcasm or an actual thing just like the USAF wanted Army Aviation limited in fixed wing and owns fixed wings themselves? Not sure otherwise how to respond to this. All I know is that the Avenger was band-aid fix over the never replaced M42 Duster that the SGT York was supposed to replace and also replaced the never replaced Chaparral as merger band aid slash stopgap.

They won't wake up. They've been asleep ever since the Cold War ended. And I would arguably say asleep even before that.

Hot take: The USAF needs rotations at NTC with trying to defend a forward deployed airfield. Put anyone not in ADA, Artillery, or Aviation to OC them so we can finally see a fair assessment of what went wrong and how to fix things without those three branches doing biased branch influenced BS.

You should read up on the Key West agreement.

 

[Kraut783]

Ya, the Key West agreement was a huge FU to the Army...couldn't believe it lasted as long as it did.

 

[DA SWO]

Ya, the Key West agreement was a huge FU to the Army...couldn't believe it lasted as long as it did.

Huge FU to the AF too, we wanted to field the Rapier SAM system in Europe and the Army used the Key West Agreement to block it. We had to have RAF Reservists man the system.

 

[The Quartermaster]

We are failing the health and welfare of our own servicemen regardless of branch or departments over of all things...egocentric pride.

Thanks for mentioning Key West. What a shame and embarrassment.

 

[ThunderHorse]

Huge FU to the AF too, we wanted to field the Rapier SAM system in Europe and the Army used the Key West Agreement to block it. We had to have RAF Reservists man the system.

Eh, we couldn't arm our helicopters until Vietnam, you had no interest and still have no interest in CAS. Army only has fixed wing aviation for intelligence and that's going away.

 

[The Quartermaster]

you had no interest and still have no interest in CAS

I'm almost positive he agrees with you however he doesn't have any say in this in regards to his service's department as much as you and I have no say what the Army decides to do.

Maybe some of our influencers here should test the waters and plant the seed to unFUCK this garbage?

 

[ThunderHorse]

I'm almost positive he agrees with you however he doesn't have any say in this in regards to his service's department as much as you and I have no say what the Army decides to do.

Maybe some of our influencers here should test the waters and plant the seed to unFUCK this garbage?

To be clear, by "you" it's the royal you and in this case the Air Force not him specifically.

 

[AWP]

Hot take: The USAF needs rotations at NTC with trying to defend a forward deployed airfield. Put anyone not in ADA, Artillery, or Aviation to OC them so we can finally see a fair assessment of what went wrong and how to fix things without those three branches doing biased branch influenced BS.

This made me think a bit. AFSOC plays at NTC and some of those elements are also at Red Flag and the Air Force Weapons School. Air Force Air Liaison Officers are usually aircrew like pilots and backseaters, so there's some type of knowledge base there.

1) Does Red Flag involve Army Patriots?
2) Does Red Flag ever incorporate some type of Army presence?
3) It is 2026 and chuckleheads like us are thinking of this, surely the AF and Army have already done this, so why isn't it a thing?

The pieces of the puzzle are there, someone, somewhere killed this off.

 

[ThunderHorse]

When I worked at Division at Bliss we had one Air Force guy who was organic, obviously a combat weatherman. I don't know what section he was actually assigned because having a weather person in G5 probably would have been helpful at times.

 

[amlove21]

When I worked at Division at Bliss we had one Air Force guy who was organic, obviously a combat weatherman. I don't know what section he was actually assigned because having a weather person in G5 probably would have been helpful at times.

Typically, those guys work in the 5 shop, specifically 5/3. Usually.

 

[AWP]

The weather is "5 knots, cleared to drop" and the rest goes on a risk assessment matrix no one will care about unless a 15-6 happens. Actual conditions are irrelevant because the First Sergeant or Sarn't Major aren't allowing Gore-Tex regardless.

 

[Marauder06]

When I worked at Division at Bliss we had one Air Force guy who was organic, obviously a combat weatherman. I don't know what section he was actually assigned because having a weather person in G5 probably would have been helpful at times.

We kept ours in the 2 shop. I had a couple of weather folks work for me over the course of my career.

 

[DA SWO]

Weather is normally part of the 2 shop.

 

[Kraut783]

Huge FU to the AF too, we wanted to field the Rapier SAM system in Europe and the Army used the Key West Agreement to block it. We had to have RAF Reservists man the system.

What year was that? I know if got revised in the 50's, but always thought it was dead in the early 70's....curious how long it got dragged out.

 

[DA SWO]

What year was that? I know if got revised in the 50's, but always thought it was dead in the early 70's....curious how long it got dragged out.

1980's.

 

[RackMaster]

Best weather forecaster, was always the weather rock.

 

[Kraut783]

1980's.

Thanks....Generals being territorial to the end...

 

[DA SWO]

Eh, we couldn't arm our helicopters until Vietnam, you had no interest and still have no interest in CAS. Army only has fixed wing aviation for intelligence and that's going away.

There is a replacement program ongoing, first plane left Greenville recently. It'll be a JSTARS replacement.

ME-11B Official Designation Of Army's New Intelligence Gathering Business Jets

This made me think a bit. AFSOC plays at NTC and some of those elements are also at Red Flag and the Air Force Weapons School. Air Force Air Liaison Officers are usually aircrew like pilots and backseaters, so there's some type of knowledge base there.

1) Does Red Flag involve Army Patriots?
2) Does Red Flag ever incorporate some type of Army presence?
3) It is 2026 and chuckleheads like us are thinking of this, surely the AF and Army have already done this, so why isn't it a thing?

The pieces of the puzzle are there, someone, somewhere killed this off.

1. RED FLAG is essentially a forced entry exercise, so Patriots would be considered a friendly fire element.
They do have emitters to represent threat systems

2. Joint SOF have played, I don't know if it's every RF, but my old unit sent guys. Sometimes they play with a NTC rotation, but then your working two separate ranges.

When I worked at Division at Bliss we had one Air Force guy who was organic, obviously a combat weatherman. I don't know what section he was actually assigned because having a weather person in G5 probably would have been helpful at times.

He/she should have worked with/out of the 2 shop, and the assigned TACP should be working out of the 3 shop.