Israel and Iran

Cookie_ said:
Trump says he'll give a two week ceasefire if the Strait is opened.

I've yet to see anything saying the Iranians (or Israelis*) have agreed to this, so we'll see how it goes!

*I imagine any ceasefire would need to include them as well.
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So the point of the war was what again? Regime change didn’t exactly happen, their nuclear program had already been destroyed, so it wasn’t that, the straight was open before, so did we fight a war and reach a ceasefire to get back to the status quo? What are we even negotiating? I don’t even know what the aim is.

I love the idea of almost everything that we did, but this was so disjointed, and the messaging so terrible that even someone who would support action in Iran, me, is left confused by the point of this.

If it is to maintain our control over oil trade, and the petrodollar just say so. I honestly believe Trump got conned into going to war for Israel, and now that Americans are deeply unhappy with it, he wants a quick end. I’m just grossed out by the situation, because it had such promise.
 
Kaldak said:
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Did you see the supposed "10 point peace plan" from Iran? How is any of that even a starting point? Are we wanting to just keep living in the same loop that the Israelis are in with Hamas?

And I checked, it's no longer April Fools day.
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It's actually a flawless, seven step plan.

1. Bomb country for already destroyed nuclear program
2. Kill their leaders, creating more entrenched hardliners to replace them
3. Burn through our own weapons and ADA stockpiles
4. Remove sanctions on Russian and Iranian oil
5. Allow a toll booth on the Strait, paid in Yuan, to challenge the petrodollar
6. ?????????
7. Profit

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I doubt Iran gets even half of the things on the list, but still, it's crazy.
 
Cookie_ said:
It's actually a flawless, seven step plan.

1. Bomb country for already destroyed nuclear program
2. Kill their leaders, creating more entrenched hardliners to replace them
3. Burn through our own weapons and ADA stockpiles
4. Remove sanctions on Russian and Iranian oil
5. Allow a toll booth on the Strait, paid in Yuan, to challenge the petrodollar
6. ?????????
7. Profit

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I doubt Iran gets even half of the things on the list, but still, it's crazy.
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6. Bondi is gone and her replacement has announced that the DOJ will not conduct any further investigations into the Epstein files.
 
Jaknight said:
I am glad a ceasefire happened yet I still feel this fight isn’t over and come Monday bombs may still drop
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There will be no actual ceasefire. Iran has already lobbed more missiles at Israel.

Who controls the IRGC and missile launches? Doubtful anyone really does. With their mosaic defense doctrine, their provincial and sector commands will continue to operate relatively autonomously.
 
A cease fire that doesn't cure cancer, solve world hunger, fix global warming, fund repreparations, and end global warming with no requirements for the USA to do anything but raise taxes on the wealthiest 1% followed by the immediate confiscation of semiautomatic assault weapons that fire high capacity clip magazines is going to be considered a complete and total failure by the Trump administration...

I'm just not happy yet.

Besides, there is a legion of left wing Marxists and Right Wing anti-Trumpers that aren't going to be happy unless Trump drops a nuke so they can say "we told you so"...
...so lets just drop a small one "somewhere" and get it over with so we can start paying attention to MLB
 
Blizzard said:
There will be no actual ceasefire. Iran has already lobbed more missiles at Israel.

Who controls the IRGC and missile launches? Doubtful anyone really does. With their mosaic defense doctrine, their provincial and sector commands will continue to operate relatively autonomously.
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You’re right, and I think sadly for them they won’t take this ceasefire seriously and instead will do laps of victory followed by support from left-wing media that emboldens their ridiculous demands, to where I think it’s gonna go really bad for them. Until now, I feel maybe Trump has been showing restraint.
 
I also had the impression that the US are dealing with various autonomous state-within-a-state factions over there. So, assuming it wasn't just play for time, are the people who claim to be "actually" in charge rn, gonna try do something about the ones still lobbing missiles and drones at everyone ? Tell or force them to stop, now that there seem to be some actual efforts of diplomacy. Seems very chaotic but the ball is mostly in their court now. Its their responsibility to restore at least a form of order on their side, to keep such deals in effect. Then there is Israel v Iran. It appears that neither of them believe that the ceasefire concerns their countries. The demands from Iran seem to be the same as before, so Trumps comment could mean that he is more open now for compromise in favor of a quick resolution.
Idk. Its hard to tell.
 
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DA SWO said:
They screwed up the call sign, lol
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Yup. Unless they changed he would be Dude xx. (though I think they had another, but that escapes me) And before anyone jumps me, that stuff is open source via press releases, audio releases, and us using them on Victor and Uniform Guard.

Besides, our call signs aren't exactly hard to figure out. I'm pretty sure Bone, Viper, Hawg, and Boar are easy...
 
Near as I can tell, Iran has a 10-point it says the US agreed to but the US has a 15-point Iran refuses to agree to. That one, if it exists, isn't released.
Kaldak said:
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Did you see the supposed "10 point peace plan" from Iran? How is any of that even a starting point? Are we wanting to just keep living in the same loop that the Israelis are in with Hamas?

And I checked, it's no longer April Fools day.
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Per Al Jazeera but repeated elsewhere.
US-Iran ceasefire deal: What are the terms, and what’s next?
  • Fundamental commitment to non-aggression from the US.
  • Controlled passage through the Strait of Hormuz in coordination with the Iranian armed forces, which in effect would mean that Iran retains its leverage over the waterway.
  • An acceptance of Iran’s nuclear enrichment programme.
  • The lifting of all primary and secondary sanctions and resolutions against Iran.
  • End of all resolutions against Iran at the International Atomic Energy Agency.
  • End of all resolutions against Iran the United Nations Security Council.
  • The withdrawal of US combat forces from all bases in the region.
  • Full compensation for damages suffered by Iran during the war — to be secured through payments to Iran by ships passing through the Strait of Hormuz.
  • The release of all Iranian assets and properties frozen abroad.
  • The ratification of all these matters in a binding UNSC resolution.
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There is no way in hell we will accept this nonsense. I guess this is Iran's attempt to control the narrative? Absurd.
 

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