What happens if a guy gets to the door on that first training jump and refuses to go? Does the Jump Master give him a push? Does he unhook, sit back down and await landing when he gets booted out of jump school? Does he get a second chance ? (I'm doubting this one). Have any of you ever seen a guy fold?
Jump School Question
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In '93, a boot to their pack tray. Freezing in the door becomes/ is a safety issue so I had no problem with the practice. I don't recall any who froze, took a boot, and continued training.
As a JM, I would tell the Jumper "Go" three times. After the third time, we hold the rest of the stick, safely grab Jumper by the back of the back tray, move jumper back, unhook, and sit him in the back and give jumper an order not to touch his equipment. Plane lands, jumper comes off, and gets JMPI'd by DACO, ABN Commander, and the rigger malfunctions NCO. If a deficiency or malfunction is found, Jumper made the right choice, no harm no foul. If the chute passes inspection, Jumper gets UCMJ.
Thankfully, I had no refusals as a JM, but a Q-course classmate did refuse on an earlier chalk when I started training. He was removed from the course.
During ABN school, a jumper ten in front of me hesitated and got a punch in the helmet to "assist" the exit. lol
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I had no idea it was something that could get NJP'd For . "Failure to follow an order?"
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I put both hands on a parachute and assisted a JAG Officer out of a Blackhawk.
I put both hands on a parachute and assisted a JAG Officer out of a Blackhawk.
Duh. Protecting your reserve while kicking them....
Talk is cheap but I'd like to try it someday. They do a lot of skydiving in Zephyrhills, FL, not far from here and people older than me are doing it.
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KIWI injection in jump school if I recall (95) for me. In Division now, you get 3 "GO's". GO GO GO! If not, they will grab your pack tray, unhook you, escort you to front of aircraft, instruct you not to touch you equipment. Once on ground, you will be re-JMPI'd and if no issues are found, you are taken off jump status and with in the week are transferred out of Division. They consider you a scourge that can cause further hesitations with other jumpers....
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I have a bunch of brothers I served with that want to do a link up and jump there. I would love to do it but my reconstructed left ankle, right knee and bad back prevents me fro doing so. If I make it, I will provide jump medical coverage with cases of beer on D.Z.
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No doubt. There's something about the inside of an airplane that turns it into a walled city with the Plague. Fear, doubt, aggressiveness, apathy... Emotions and behaviors ripple through jumpers and everything's contagious.
As it should be. With any demanding and dangerous course.
Incidentally, we had a Sgt at F 2/6 who, legend had it, had fallen 500 feet when his chute malfunctioned and lived. Every time I saw him I wanted to rub his head for good luck...
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As it should be. With any demanding and dangerous course.
Incidentally, we had a Sgt at F 2/6 who, legend had it, had fallen 500 feet when his chute malfunctioned and lived. Every time I saw him I wanted to rub his head for good luck...
I had a few guys fall, 1 did not survive. Me, our other medics and our P.A. (former 18D and CAG guy) all worked him on the DZ, flew him out but he was dead. Did it for the brothers....
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Didn't mean to sound insensitive, or trigger up sad visions from the past. RIP to your Airborne mate. In training or war, we lose friends. I still have trouble reconciling myself to our losses. Lifting a Killian's to your bro right now.
I recently graduated Airborne school, 3 weeks ago, and we had someone freeze on the 4th jump, I don't know how. It was hilarious.
The guy was probably the 4 man in the chalk/stick. He shuffles to the door but would not let go of his static line. Death grip. The JM safety and JM couldnt get him to let go. So they hit him in his side, he collapsed to the floor, the JM safety secured the static line and the JM picked him up and pushed him out of the aircraft.
The guy was probably the 4 man in the chalk/stick. He shuffles to the door but would not let go of his static line. Death grip. The JM safety and JM couldnt get him to let go. So they hit him in his side, he collapsed to the floor, the JM safety secured the static line and the JM picked him up and pushed him out of the aircraft.
JM wasn't dealing with any bullshit on the 4th jump.
While You may think it is funny, some may disagree with me and that's ok but maybe that cat woke up that morning and had a bad feeling. It can happen to any of us. I remember my first jump after destroying my left ankle (surgical repair) and getting a concussion on Sicily DZ. I was terrified. Fucking freaked out but I jumped. With that said. I never saw a jump refusal but every pre jump, every JMPI and every briefing, we got the "talk" on jump refusals. Jump refusals are a true scourge in an Airborne unit. They need to be delt with but I hold no ill will towards them. Sometimes, the fear of jumping gets to you. If you are not scared, you need to re-eval the position you're in.....
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