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Being able to reach into a pack crammed full of shit and grab exactly what you want in the middle of the night without looking is an artform most of us perfected at one point during our military careers!
M5 Bag organization
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Being able to reach into a pack crammed full of shit and grab exactly what you want in the middle of the night without looking is an artform most of us perfected at one point during our military careers!
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By the way, I layed all my shit out and loaded up the bag last night. When I get a chance, I'll take a couple pics and post them.
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Pics....They issued us M9s shortly after the original post. I chose to roll with it due to size and what we do. The M5 is still set up, more as a resupply bag now but in a format that works for me or anyone that grabs it.
On the outside, chemlights are jammed in there for the hell of it, 2 TKs on the outside, as well as trauma sheers and a benchmade hook. 2 500 ml IVs and start kits that are set up and 2 emergency blankets. The inside is set up in a kind of ABC format with everything labeled on the outside along with airway adjuncts, etc.
On the outside, chemlights are jammed in there for the hell of it, 2 TKs on the outside, as well as trauma sheers and a benchmade hook. 2 500 ml IVs and start kits that are set up and 2 emergency blankets. The inside is set up in a kind of ABC format with everything labeled on the outside along with airway adjuncts, etc.
policemedic
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Looks like you're well-prepared. Interesting placement for the chest darts; I see the logic behind it. Mine are kept with my chest stuff. Are you carrying nasal trumpets, chest seals or hemostatics? Can't see them. I'm also curious about which fluid you're carrying.
I'll tell you, though-it's nice to see people who are trained and ready for the medical piece. That gets such short thrift in most places it pisses me off greatly.
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Several NPAs in the top zipper pouch along with the headlamp and King airway. Two halo chest seals and a couple packs of combat gauze. Fluids are 500 LR and 500 NS, 1 each; just what I decided to load for fluids. A lot of our guys are still big on fluids right out the gate. I kind of take a general applicability look at it and take what we are required to carry and go from there, but try to keep it applicable to what we do, not what we think we do.
I'm not the best trained but not the least either. We're required to ride at least 8 hours a month in addition to other crap, CEs, training, etc.
I'm not the best trained but not the least either. We're required to ride at least 8 hours a month in addition to other crap, CEs, training, etc.
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Obviously "a lot" of your guys arent paying attention to the lessons learned from the past nearly 12 years of combat wounded. With respect to fluid resuscitation in hemorrhagic shock, more is not better.
It is refreshing to see you taking the medical piece so seriously. Like PM, I have seen far too many operational guys not take it seriously until its them needing the supplies used on them then it cant be taken serious enough.
As for your labeling system, have you given thought to having nametapes embroidered with the category of supplies then sew them down to the pockets? Or better yet sew loop to the pouch so the tapes can be changed as will. Just an idea...
Mondo Kudos to ya bro.
policemedic
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Exactly how my "comes-in-the-house" bag is done.
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Are most of your runs urban or rural? If you are normally less than 15-30 mins from a hospital I would cut out the fluids altogether. A lot of time can be wasted trying to stick an IV when the hospital is only minutes away. I just say this from my experience.
SpongeBob*24
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Thermal blankies.....I like it!!!!
I laid on the ground nekid for a long time before.....not fun....
(nothing real world, just training...fyi)
I laid on the ground nekid for a long time before.....not fun....
(nothing real world, just training...fyi)
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Crip, I think a lot of that stems from these guys riding with local EMS and not getting a lot of additional training outside what we are required to attend every couple of years. That being said, most of the guys have done some good things over the years, providing med support to LE and civvies alike. As for the labeling system, I dig your idea.
Cback: in my old gig our work was roughly 85% urban and 15% rural. My new job has me at a desk more than I care for, but when I'm out, it varies greatly and the bag is usually in the vehicle because thats where I'm located. If I'm on foot, it's usually in a PSD role.
Cback: in my old gig our work was roughly 85% urban and 15% rural. My new job has me at a desk more than I care for, but when I'm out, it varies greatly and the bag is usually in the vehicle because thats where I'm located. If I'm on foot, it's usually in a PSD role.
policemedic
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Bumping this so as not to create a new thread.
Since we've brought it up in another thread, I've been wondering how our various medicos are packing their aid bags. This has been on my mind lately because I've had to repack and reorganize my stuff from one bag to a new bag with a different configuration. I think the new pack is light years better, but it's going to take some noodle power to get it set up perfectly to my liking. I'll post pics when I get to work.
In any case, I try to follow the MARCHH mnemonic in packing my bag. My hypothermia supplies in the bag mostly consist of space blankets because my HPMK is too big to pack and lives in the car. I'd have someone run for it if it was needed. Mission drives the gear train, so occasionally I will repack depending on the mission.
Anyone like to share packing lists or how their bag is set up?
Since we've brought it up in another thread, I've been wondering how our various medicos are packing their aid bags. This has been on my mind lately because I've had to repack and reorganize my stuff from one bag to a new bag with a different configuration. I think the new pack is light years better, but it's going to take some noodle power to get it set up perfectly to my liking. I'll post pics when I get to work.
In any case, I try to follow the MARCHH mnemonic in packing my bag. My hypothermia supplies in the bag mostly consist of space blankets because my HPMK is too big to pack and lives in the car. I'd have someone run for it if it was needed. Mission drives the gear train, so occasionally I will repack depending on the mission.
Anyone like to share packing lists or how their bag is set up?
Ehh, this is off my jacked brain housing group memory so some stuff might be missing:
I used an earlier model of the LBT Tactical Field care med backpack, looked like this but sans PALS and a couple other bits/bobs:
outer top pouch:
TQ's, ETD's, hemcon dressings, kerlex
outer bottom pouch:
OPAs, NPAs, more ETD's, kerlex, ace wraps, coban
Clamshell'ed open:
IVs+ starter kits near the ruckstrap side, meat sewing/stapling kits in one of the lower pouches
BVM, decomp sets (Ascherman + pigsticker of a needle), and ETD/Cric kits on the other side top pouch,
Bottom pouch had ace wraps, coban, meds in the bottom pouch in hard cases (Pile velcro on the "softer stuff" ie sick call meds, Hook velcro on the "hard stuff" ie pain management/hard antibiotics/IV meds)
C-collar undone and along one side wedged, chest tube kit along the other side
Against the back as worn: multiple tarp-type emergency blankets and SAM splints stored with a single fold flat against the back
Anything else I needed more of or otherwise "isn't mentioned due to chronic CRS but would be carried" went where there was room and it made sense in the casualty care flow of "get to patient, drop ruck, start working 'off of' to 'into the bag'" as well as taking into account where you'd be in a casualty assessment/priority of injury.
All of this supplemented my worn kit which had rifle/pistol mags, 4x NPA's, 3x TQ's, 4x kerlex 4x ETD, about 20 chemlites of different colors to categorize casualties, casualty cards, gloves, shears, implement of stabbing, spare copenhagen for me or joes if checking the line, etc. Lip light on boom mic + finger light, never cared for minichems in the mouth for a light source (they taste like ass and chew funny if you have one break in your mouth
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All the kits, specifically cric/suture/chest tube sets, etc were all forceps and associated necessities for doing a procedure wrapped up together and vac sealed in foot wide vacum seal bags so you could pop that and have everything you needed for a job right there with a "clean field" to stage stuff from for a procedure. Edge of seal pre-nicked w/ offset large tape tabs to be able to grab for opening and a second sealed area with white bandage tape labeled in sharpie of kit name and a small hole on the edge to slide in a mini chem. Pre-planned Night missions I'd pop some mini chems and slide them into the labeled areas on the more "urgent use" kits so if I had a helper they could ID what I was asking for out of my bag in lieu of me having to stop and get it myself. Always checked for any signature either ambient or under NVG's before stepping off, never had an issue.
I used an earlier model of the LBT Tactical Field care med backpack, looked like this but sans PALS and a couple other bits/bobs:
outer top pouch:
TQ's, ETD's, hemcon dressings, kerlex
outer bottom pouch:
OPAs, NPAs, more ETD's, kerlex, ace wraps, coban
Clamshell'ed open:
IVs+ starter kits near the ruckstrap side, meat sewing/stapling kits in one of the lower pouches
BVM, decomp sets (Ascherman + pigsticker of a needle), and ETD/Cric kits on the other side top pouch,
Bottom pouch had ace wraps, coban, meds in the bottom pouch in hard cases (Pile velcro on the "softer stuff" ie sick call meds, Hook velcro on the "hard stuff" ie pain management/hard antibiotics/IV meds)
C-collar undone and along one side wedged, chest tube kit along the other side
Against the back as worn: multiple tarp-type emergency blankets and SAM splints stored with a single fold flat against the back
Anything else I needed more of or otherwise "isn't mentioned due to chronic CRS but would be carried" went where there was room and it made sense in the casualty care flow of "get to patient, drop ruck, start working 'off of' to 'into the bag'" as well as taking into account where you'd be in a casualty assessment/priority of injury.
All of this supplemented my worn kit which had rifle/pistol mags, 4x NPA's, 3x TQ's, 4x kerlex 4x ETD, about 20 chemlites of different colors to categorize casualties, casualty cards, gloves, shears, implement of stabbing, spare copenhagen for me or joes if checking the line, etc. Lip light on boom mic + finger light, never cared for minichems in the mouth for a light source (they taste like ass and chew funny if you have one break in your mouth
)All the kits, specifically cric/suture/chest tube sets, etc were all forceps and associated necessities for doing a procedure wrapped up together and vac sealed in foot wide vacum seal bags so you could pop that and have everything you needed for a job right there with a "clean field" to stage stuff from for a procedure. Edge of seal pre-nicked w/ offset large tape tabs to be able to grab for opening and a second sealed area with white bandage tape labeled in sharpie of kit name and a small hole on the edge to slide in a mini chem. Pre-planned Night missions I'd pop some mini chems and slide them into the labeled areas on the more "urgent use" kits so if I had a helper they could ID what I was asking for out of my bag in lieu of me having to stop and get it myself. Always checked for any signature either ambient or under NVG's before stepping off, never had an issue.
policemedic
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Sounds like a well-organized plan.
I'll generally try to use their IFAK/TQ, then the gear on my vest (similar to your packing list, minus a few things like Cope) and then finally the stuff in my aid bag. That said, if I'm not wearing the big vest i.e. general patrol then everything is worked out of the aid bag dropped near the pt's head.
Were the different Velcro types on the meds for touch ID?
I'll generally try to use their IFAK/TQ, then the gear on my vest (similar to your packing list, minus a few things like Cope) and then finally the stuff in my aid bag. That said, if I'm not wearing the big vest i.e. general patrol then everything is worked out of the aid bag dropped near the pt's head.
Were the different Velcro types on the meds for touch ID?
Yep. That, and it made it easy for them to stick together since I'd shift shit around sometimes and have sick call crap just in a ziploc bag of motrin skittles etc.
I had all my stuff up front and extras of various since while I could count that a patient would have a tq, ETD, Kerlex... and it'd be on their....left side? furthest back pouch, it was still quicker for me to grab it off my stuff. I could reload off their gear since it'd be coming with them to the CCP, or just reload off my truck since I carried enough supplies to reload a full company's worth of RFR and medic aidbags, not counting my 2nd bag I kept on the rig.
I also organized the meds boxes in a specific pattern and number of velcros on the inside, although I can't even think of how the fuck I did it. Some stuff just was identifiable by size (Cefoxitin or w/e the hell it is, big jar I had to inject saline into then load a syringe), but stuff like narcan, morphine, and some others that we had in preloaded injectors all felt the same in the dark so I used 1 row 2 row 3 row of velcro, with everything inside the boxes velcroed so regardless of how FUCKFUCKFUCKmode someone opened the boxes, it wouldn't turn into a junkie's dream yardsale..
I had all my stuff up front and extras of various since while I could count that a patient would have a tq, ETD, Kerlex... and it'd be on their....left side? furthest back pouch, it was still quicker for me to grab it off my stuff. I could reload off their gear since it'd be coming with them to the CCP, or just reload off my truck since I carried enough supplies to reload a full company's worth of RFR and medic aidbags, not counting my 2nd bag I kept on the rig.
I also organized the meds boxes in a specific pattern and number of velcros on the inside, although I can't even think of how the fuck I did it. Some stuff just was identifiable by size (Cefoxitin or w/e the hell it is, big jar I had to inject saline into then load a syringe), but stuff like narcan, morphine, and some others that we had in preloaded injectors all felt the same in the dark so I used 1 row 2 row 3 row of velcro, with everything inside the boxes velcroed so regardless of how FUCKFUCKFUCKmode someone opened the boxes, it wouldn't turn into a junkie's dream yardsale..
