Military Misconduct

[ThunderHorse]

Seems he's a racist. From what I've read, he preferred to mentor black officers.

Unsurprising. Have you seen the African American clique in the Army? A lot of Lloyd's chosen staff at 18 Airborne Corps were black.

 

[Topkick]

Unsurprising. Have you seen the African American clique in the Army? A lot of Lloyd's chosen staff at 18 Airborne Corps were black.

Wokeness couldn't be more obvious. Try Googleling Army CSM's and obviously white dudes are not what's in style these days.

 

[Ooh-Rah]

This guy is a tribal leader, gonna be so many officers out there that will need to realign...

Seems he's a racist. From what I've read, he preferred to mentor black officers.

Unsurprising. Have you seen the African American clique in the Army? A lot of Lloyd's chosen staff at 18 Airborne Corps were black.

So I woke up this morning to multiple reported complaints about the above quotes. The overall premise being that labeling the General a literal “racist” without direct knowledge of the situation is racist on its own.



I’m not suggesting that the above posts crossed a line, just that they caught the attention of members who do not usually report things. So to quote Sgt Esterhaus (Hiss Street Blues)…”Hey…let’s be careful out there.”

And thank you for using the ‘report’ function.

 

[Topkick]

So I woke up this morning to multiple reported complaints about the above quotes. The overall premise being that labeling the General a literal “racist” without direct knowledge of the situation is racist on its own.



I’m not suggesting that the above posts crossed a line, just that they caught the attention of members who do not usually report things. So to quote Sgt Esterhaus (Hiss Street Blues)…”Hey…let’s be careful out there.”

And think you for using the ‘report’ function.

Uh, its basically what he was fired for. Favoritism. Any one denying that is being intellectually dishonest, IMHO. But your point is taken. Roger out!

 

[AWP]

labeling the General a literal “racist” without direct knowledge of the situation is racist on its own.

What? Maybe I need more coffee, but that argument makes no sense. Maybe the General is racist, maybe he isn't, but for someone to say another person is a racist because they called someone else a racist defies logic. We're aware any race can be racist, right? We're aware criticizing a person of a different race doesn't necessarily make one racist?

I guess we aren't.

 

[Ooh-Rah]

What? Maybe I need more coffee. <post>

I don’t disagree with you; I called it out because I woke up to 3 separate members “reporting” those posts.

 

[Topkick]

but for someone to say another person is a racist because they called someone else a racist defies logic.

For discussion purposes...did someone call the general a racist? The definition of "seems" is that something appears to be. Doesn't mean it is.

 

[The Quartermaster]

In this thread, we are seeing how effective weaponizing EO was to the point that even when suspecting someone of interest as racist, falsely puts them as a racist instead.

Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot.

Do we really need to do this? Have a class on what is and what isn't a racist? That any race can be racist? That calling another person a racist or even suspected to be racist, isn't racist at all? How do we know that the persons being reported aren't black themselves here? Are they not racist too if they call their own out without anyone knowing that it was another black person who done what they did? How does that even work when it is the same race between them?

Use your brains, not your warped sense of feelings. Grow up. Seriously.

 

[Cookie_]

Maybe there were just no qualified white officers to work with him.

I'm joking, but it highlights a common thing seen as a response whenever we discuss diversity.

An all white staff of officers/NCO is merit and hardwork; a majority black staff is racism or favoritism.

I'm more upset that only one person on the BCAP board reported his meddling. They didnt do it purely because of his involvement; they did it because of how shit the candidate was.
That means the others weren't assed enough to care.

Seems like people do this all the time and it gets glossed over. That's not a race issue, that's an Army promotion system issue.

 

[DA SWO]

Maybe there were just no qualified white officers to work with him.

I'm joking, but it highlights a common thing seen as a response whenever we discuss diversity.

An all white staff of officers/NCO is merit and hardwork; a majority black staff is racism or favoritism.

I'm more upset that only one person on the BCAP board reported his meddling. They didnt do it purely because of his involvement; they did it because of how shit the candidate was.
That means the others weren't assed enough to care.

Seems like people do this all the time and it gets glossed over. That's not a race issue, that's an Army promotion system issue.

The General had black only officer calls, the only group with a single race officer call.
What do you call that?
I think that's kind of racist.

 

[ThunderHorse]

So I woke up this morning to multiple reported complaints about the above quotes. The overall premise being that labeling the General a literal “racist” without direct knowledge of the situation is racist on its own.



I’m not suggesting that the above posts crossed a line, just that they caught the attention of members who do not usually report things. So to quote Sgt Esterhaus (Hiss Street Blues)…”Hey…let’s be careful out there.”

And thank you for using the ‘report’ function.

We can call it racism, we can call it favoritism. What I am calling it, is a behavior that I have seen consistently. The Army with some random DEI statement that I can't find right now talked about selecting officers to lead formations based on the demographic makeup of that formation. So we the US Army was going to racially profile for future command teams.

Granted the breadth of my experience is not as wide as @Marauder06 's for example, but I have seen enough to see various groups protect their own. Whether that is African Americans, or the Regimental Protection Service (RPS), Ranger tabbed officers and NCOs, etc. A whole lot of favoritism exists and certain folks have no idea that they benefit from that. And others who performed exceptionally well but are not members of these various groups do not receive the same credit or protection.

ETA:

Maybe there were just no qualified white officers to work with him.

I'm joking, but it highlights a common thing seen as a response whenever we discuss diversity.

An all white staff of officers/NCO is merit and hardwork; a majority black staff is racism or favoritism.

I'm more upset that only one person on the BCAP board reported his meddling. They didnt do it purely because of his involvement; they did it because of how shit the candidate was.
That means the others weren't assed enough to care.

Seems like people do this all the time and it gets glossed over. That's not a race issue, that's an Army promotion system issue.

There were 800 LTCs under evaluation by BCAP, and he only got caught for this one? As a 4 Star he likely has had influence over BCAP in several iterations and possibly even had influence over multiple officers under this BCAP cycle. Yet we only hear about this one. Again, this can't be the only exception to policy signed by the CSA, jus the only one that DAIG looked at?

As mentioned above, there are numerous tribes that one can be aligned to and receive favoritism even knowingly. All the Ranger tab guys say "it set you up so muhc better than your peers"...but how in the world does having a tab set a surgeon up better than his peers?

 

[Topkick]

Whether that is African Americans, or the Regimental Protection Service (RPS), Ranger tabbed officers and NCOs, etc. A whole lot of favoritism exists and certain folks have no idea that they benefit from that. And others who performed exceptionally well but are not members of these various groups do not receive the same credit or protection.

West Point.

 

[ThunderHorse]

West Point.

Oh how did I forget the West Point Protection Agency (WPPA for short)...

 

[Devildoc]

Canoe U was the same way. The Boys Club on the Bay.

 

[Box]

The good General is clearly a patriotic American that loves democracy but some of his past actions really do "SEEM" to be "QUITE" racist...

 

[Marauder06]

I'd like to see a deeper official look to find out how many other people he has done this for. I can think of at least one. And I would welcome the opportunity to share some thoughts and some evidence with an official investigation.