That’s a union in name only. That organization is a straight up hate group.
National Protest and 'disband the cops' discussion (and now ICE)
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If the Mongols had developed navigation and ship building, there wouldn’t be anybody left alive to bitch.
pardus
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It kind of is a relic, but in order to complete a distance run, you by default "should" be fit enough to perform a lot of other physical tasks. The run needs of course to be supplemented with other exercises.
Maybe a more important thing to think about is that once these cops pass the academy there is no more physical testing, ever...
The 2 mile run is a non scientific benchmark, a 1.5 mile run has been proven in the past to be far more effective, beyond that you need to be doing 3+ miles. Physiology and all that jazz.Like a three rep Bronco? People would complain about that. A two mile run ain't no relic. It's great for knowing "general fitness". But I'd definitely be up for something even more strenuous.
ThunderHorse
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I'm not really sure on any science that says 1.5 miles is "enough" to determine general aerobic fitness. But if you want to go to 3 miles, let's do it.
Hate. Only because that is fucked.
pardus
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I am, unless new advancements in science have shown otherwise. Do you know why the US Army choose 2 miles? I don't. I do however know why most other forces in the world have chosen 1.5ml, and there's science behind it. I never said "general aerobic fitness", I also never said 3 miles was a better standard. My post doesn't need to be interpreted, it's not cryptic.
JedisonsDad
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I assume it’s so they can claim they’re harder than the Air Force, with our 1.5 miles and only 1 minute of push-ups and sit-ups, rather than the Army’s manly 2.0 and 2 minutes of push-ups and sit-ups.
I can't wait to see the justification for that one.
I guess the only positive here, making lemonade and all, is burning the entire state of Arkansas to the ground won't cause much damage. 2-3 million in property damage total for the whole state?
ThunderHorse
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British Army was doing a 1.5 Mile warm up before the 1.5 mile for test. So again, not really sure on "the science". The Air Force and the Navy use 1.5 mile run in their PT test...and they're totally a standard to aspire to.
Most of the time the people that complain about the 2 mile run are really fat. Then you have a few of the super fit that also complain. YMMV
Well you lot had civilian graders because NCOs couldn't be trusted to deliver PT tests. Them got rid of the Civilian graders to bring back NCOs, but the NCOs couldn't be from your unit. So, pretty sure it has nothing to do with being harder than the country club. Slightly snark, but really not.
JedisonsDad
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No offense taken. I’m disgusted by a majority of the force, and not just the Air Force.British Army was doing a 1.5 Mile warm up before the 1.5 mile for test. So again, not really sure on "the science". The Air Force and the Navy use 1.5 mile run in their PT test...and they're totally a standard to aspire to.
Most of the time the people that complain about the 2 mile run are really fat. Then you have a few of the super fit that also complain. YMMV
Well you lot had civilian graders because NCOs couldn't be trusted to deliver PT tests. Them got rid of the Civilian graders to bring back NCOs, but the NCOs couldn't be from your unit. So, pretty sure it has nothing to do with being harder than the country club. Slightly snark, but really not.
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British Army was doing a 1.5 Mile warm up before the 1.5 mile for test. So again, not really sure on "the science". The Air Force and the Navy use 1.5 mile run in their PT test...and they're totally a standard to aspire to.
Most of the time the people that complain about the 2 mile run are really fat. Then you have a few of the super fit that also complain. YMMV
Well you lot had civilian graders because NCOs couldn't be trusted to deliver PT tests. Them got rid of the Civilian graders to bring back NCOs, but the NCOs couldn't be from your unit. So, pretty sure it has nothing to do with being harder than the country club. Slightly snark, but really not.
OK, you're being a dick now. Your sarcastic remarks add nothing to the discussion SIR.
The US Army and it's standards of PT (etc...) are NOTHING to be proud of, so check yourself and try and be a little humble, that's just my humble opinion, from someone who has served in the US Army, the New Zealand army, and worked with many other armies, you have nothing to crow about, trust me.
ThunderHorse
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Didn't say they were good. But I definitely thought the 1.5 mile was weak and would go for a 3 miler. And generally, the entire time I was in the I worked out close to 20 hours a week because PT just didn't do it. And this was after doing some crazy sadistic shit like 500m of lunges and back across the bridge or "double APFTs" in pro masks.
The entire time I on active duty the policy of TRADOC for a private to "graduate" from OSUT was only a 150/300 provided they got 50 points in each category. And no matter how hard we PT'd some guys just don't workout on their own or are just slobs. And can't get over 60 in each event.
Oh and then when you're not working up for something, the joes are just validating their time until the day is over instead of doing organized workouts or company athletics as most commands are backwards. So I guess if we wanted to discuss the idiocy of US Army fitness culture I'm ready.
policemedic
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The truth is that most foot pursuits span only a very few blocks. To be honest, it's never a matter of endurance--at least, not until the fight that normally happens if you catch them. It's a matter of speed. If you don't catch them in the 1st block or two, you're not catching them. At that point, it becomes a game of employing other strategies.
policemedic
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The Cooper Institute disagrees with you.
ThunderHorse
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A lot of people touting science without links. I remember when we had to cite our sources and provide commentary for that link on this site.
Cooper Test standards are also very defined and most LEAs "passing" time would not even be considered "good" on the Cooper Test table. It's also still an anaerobic test. But we can go back and forth on this.
If anyone thinks 1.5 miles is enough, fine. Not the point. The point is that to develop real fitness you have to invest A LOT of TIME to develop fitness. Most people don't, in any job that requires decent fitness.
A lot of people touting science without links. I remember when we had to cite our sources and provide commentary for that link on this site.
Cooper Test standards are also very defined and most LEAs "passing" time would not even be considered "good" on the Cooper Test table. It's also still an anaerobic test. But we can go back and forth on this.
If anyone thinks 1.5 miles is enough, fine. Not the point. The point is that to develop real fitness you have to invest A LOT of TIME to develop fitness. Most people don't, in any job that requires decent fitness.
There's a reason why the Cooper's Test is the basis of pre-selection fitness testing for CANSOF units. And you're fully capable of using Google. I can pick numerous instances of you lacking sources in recent posts.
ThunderHorse
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Well it's opinion. Not me touting "science".
The physical demands for aerobic capacity and anaerobic capacity are massive. Cooper Institute also considers the 1.5 Mile an anaerobic event, not an aerobic event. Which seems quite arbitrary when World Athletics considers anything over 800m to be a "mid-distance" event before you get to a half marathon.
But again, that's generally not the point of the discussion. The point of the discus was what is required to create LEOs with good fitness.
Well most LEAs don't test after their screener. So testing yearly would be a start...but that's a bit of a stick and not really proactive.
I like the full 12 minute Cooper test. It's more of an ass kicker than a 1.5 or 2 mile run.
It also seems like the 20m beep test is a good indicator of Vo2max.
Anyways, away from LEO fitness and to the whole "protest" topic:
Officer in Breonna Taylor case plead guilty.
It also seems like the 20m beep test is a good indicator of Vo2max.
Anyways, away from LEO fitness and to the whole "protest" topic:
Officer in Breonna Taylor case plead guilty.
ThunderHorse
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Yes the Cooper Test was 12 minutes and the score was based on the distance one completed in that 12 minutes. Generally speaking in Imperial, 1.5 miles in 12 would be considered bad. 2 miles would be considered good. (In high school anyone who didn't hit 2 miles on day one of soccer practice had additional conditioning)
Wiki has the table: Cooper test - Wikipedia
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I saw that. I generally don't know what to think. They were cleared by a state court and then the FBI and DOJ decided to get political and go on a witch hunt. And now we have this.
Not to borrow from the Trump thread, but uh, the burden on LEOs required to get a warrant seems to be needing to be increased. I know the standard is "probably cause" but maybe need more paperwork. BUT, I also read the Louisville PD surveillance report on Breanna Taylor. It's over 90 pages. It might even be in this thread somewhere.
Further evidence that you often get punished more for the cover-up than you would have if you had just come clean.
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