National Protest and 'disband the cops' discussion (and now ICE)

[Jaknight]

lol it’s your crappy take bro, you deal with it.

You likened this collectivist Marxist color revolution to protect illegal immigrants and sex traffickers to the American patriots fighting the crown.

Don’t be sad because I highlighted it, it’s not my position, I jut helped you flesh yours out. You don’t need more words, you need a mirror and a library card.

Sad? I’m not sad at all. I find it hilarious, to be honest. When the Democrats come back to power, and they will eventually, as things always swing back and forth, and they decide to do things the right disagrees with, let’s see if the right still says, listen to the government.

 

[Ooh-Rah]

MOST of the issue is with Minneapolis itself and paid agitators that have come here to stir up a radical base.

I was on this bandwagon as well, especially after Floyd. I have spent quite a bit of time looking for ‘verified’ proof that this current scenerio is being pushed by paid agitators. I have failed. I’d welcome any links of legit sources that can validate your claim. I’m not talking about groups who are funding water/gear/logistics, Im talking about individual people being bussed to Minneapolis and being specifically paid to ‘stir things up’.

 

[Topkick]

I can't be sure there are paid agitators from elsewhere, but your Governor and Mayor are definitely stiring things up.

 

[Ooh-Rah]

When the Democrats come back to power, and they will eventually, as things always swing back and forth, and they decide to do things the right disagrees with, let’s see if the right still says, listen to the government.

This has been my mountain-top battle-cry since this shit began. It takes no imagination for me to envision future President Newsom directing ATF agents to kick in doors looking for illegal guns. I’m predicting folks who conveniently tucked away their “Don’t Tread on Me” flags (cause we are definitely being tread-on right now) will then unfurl those same flags and put them back on their pickup trucks.

 

[Topkick]

It takes no imagination for me to envision future President Newsom directing ATF agents to kick in doors looking for illegal guns.

Hopefully, he'd have a problem with the same people who are patriotically removing illegal aliens going into homes and taking the legal citizen' guns.

 

[ThunderHorse]

Never did I say anyone should be slaughtered in fact, I’m very much for violence being a dead last resort to solve our internal issues. I do not think Minnesota is some revolutionaries fighting. I am saying the people of Minnesota and many others disagree with how the government is acting and are taking actions they feel are necessary. Would not the right do the same? When the left screams about passing laws so they can take guns away and, let’s say, they manage to get them through, are right wingers gonna give up their weapons? Are they going to say, “Hey, it’s the law”? Will Texas or Florida say, “Come on in, let us help you enforce the law”? I would be surprised if they did. I am on no one’s side because it seems the only America both sides want is their version, and are more than willing to jackboot against the other side

Texas and Florida state laws require local LEAs to cooperate with FLEAs. So, in this case both of those states have said just that. Supremacy clause. Whereas states like Minnesota (not sure if they have, but others have) passed laws that state their local LEAs will in fact not cooperate on [insert here].

The problem we have with this is that since Clinton, no administration has made immigration a big priority from an enforcement perspective. To the point where Obama talked a big game but the door was open. Trumps first administration tried with the wall, and Biden didn't just open the door, it stopped almost all enforcement actions. So we are due for a real correction, but man it will be difficult to deport just the 10M people who came over during the Biden administration.

This has been my mountain-top battle-cry since this shit began. It takes no imagination for me to envision future President Newsom directing ATF agents to kick in doors looking for illegal guns. I’m predicting folks who conveniently tucked away their “Don’t Tread on Me” flags (cause we are definitely being tread-on right now) will then unfurl those same flags and put them back on their pickup trucks.

Friend, you tried to tell me that the FBI using Bradleys on Civilians was not like what you're saying. If the ATF is going into homes to sieze lawfully purchased firearms and accessories that will be more like the Waco massacre than actual enforcement of immigration Law. if anything, what is going on today is not close to what you're talking about as that would require new laws and courts that would find them constitutional.

 

[BlackSmokeRisinG]

The issue isn't the loss of 4th amendment rights. The issue is the ability of the government to enforce existing laws without mobs surrounding them.

 

[amlove21]

Sad? I’m not sad at all. I find it hilarious, to be honest. When the Democrats come back to power, and they will eventually, as things always swing back and forth, and they decide to do things the right disagrees with, let’s see if the right still says, listen to the government.

Deflection, red herring, slippery slope fallacy.

Remember Covid and vaccine mandates and firing government employees and autopen blanket pardons and sending 10-20 million illegal immigrants to the interior of America? I sure do remember getting called every name I am getting called now for not complying and speaking up against all of that.

Weirdly, no one had the same energy back then, especially not you.

You care about ‘constitutional crisis’ and ‘government overreach’ when it fits your overall narrative.

Give me a reason to read your posts and I will. Present something resembling a consistent and logical position with forethought and we can talk.

I only have time for education, or a discussion. Discussion implies you have a solid position you can defend; education is when I have to hold your hand and expose your inconsistencies in public.

Guess which flavor of talk we are having?

 

[amlove21]

The issue isn't the loss of 4th amendment rights. The issue is the ability of the government to enforce existing laws without mobs surrounding them.

Coordinated, funded, logistically supported domestic terrorism. Hiding- as some would say- “the founding generation of this country”.

Madness.

 

[ThunderHorse]

So I don't know the veracity of this, but supposed the LTG of Minnesota was in/possibly an admin in one of these signal chats?

https://twitter.com/x/status/2015512487542641083

https://twitter.com/x/status/2015495331065061701

This of course could be code, because it would be stupid to call her Flan.

 

[amlove21]

So I don't know the veracity of this, but supposed the LTG of Minnesota was in/possibly an admin in one of these signal chats?

https://twitter.com/x/status/2015512487542641083

https://twitter.com/x/status/2015495331065061701

Not ‘involved’. A shot caller.

This is the same woman that posed in the “protect trans kids” shirt with the knife in Minnesota presser.

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[Failure404]

Under Biden, Congress almost passed a bipartisan bill that, to my understanding, would have helped solve a lot of the issues at the border. However, Trump got it killed because he wanted to run on that as a campaign issue. I think any talk of Biden’s effectiveness (or lack thereof) on immigration needs to consider the impacts of that bill, had it passed.

As I understand it, COVID is to blame for the massive influx of immigrants in recent years (and probably a lot of other factors, like political instability to the south). The issue was the massive backlog and how we processed individuals. They would show up and we would set them up with a hotel and a court date and just trust that they would show up. This bill would have made so a state of emergency was triggered during high traffic periods that shut the entire asylum system down. This would allow for the backlog to be processed, which would have also been helped by the other provisions in the bill, like increasing the budget of border patrol and expanding the number of adjudicators with stricter standards for asylum.

So I would like to know, if immigration were such an important issue, why they decided to kill that bill? It had overwhelming bipartisan support and seemed to address many of the problems in our immigration system.

Some claimed the bill was killed because it included provisions about foreign defense spending for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan, but it wasn’t very long afterwards that Congress passed a different bill for exactly those things.

 

[ThunderHorse]

Under Biden, Congress almost passed a bipartisan bill that, to my understanding, would have helped solve a lot of the issues at the border. However, Trump got it killed because he wanted to run on that as a campaign issue. I think any talk of Biden’s effectiveness (or lack thereof) on immigration needs to consider the impacts of that bill, had it passed.

As I understand it, COVID is to blame for the massive influx of immigrants in recent years (and probably a lot of other factors, like political instability to the south). The issue was the massive backlog and how we processed individuals. They would show up and we would set them up with a hotel and a court date and just trust that they would show up. This bill would have made so a state of emergency was triggered during high traffic periods that shut the entire asylum system down. This would allow for the backlog to be processed, which would have also been helped by the other provisions in the bill, like increasing the budget of border patrol and expanding the number of adjudicators with stricter standards for asylum.

So I would like to know, if immigration were such an important issue, why they decided to kill that bill? It had overwhelming bipartisan support and seemed to address many of the problems in our immigration system.

Some claimed the bill was killed because it included provisions about foreign defense spending for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan, but it wasn’t very long afterwards that Congress passed a different bill for exactly those things.

That bill would not have done any of these things, it would have exacerbated our issues. It would not have required enforcement of the law. We have all the laws we need on the book to sort out our immigration problems. The issue was Biden's non-enforcement of the law. It was willful.

The bill was going to create caps on the number of illegals (in the hundreds of thousands) that were to be allowed in per year? lol wtf. The number cap is currently 0. So enforce it. That bill was worse than government ordered single ply toilet paper.

 

[Cookie_]

I don't need this place to be like reddit

Tbf, aside from the meme and fitness threads this is basically the same as the conservative subreddit.

Less brigading from liberals and accusations that everyone not riding Trump's nuts is a RINO, but pretty close overall.

 

[RackMaster]

Anyone see anything else like this?

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[Failure404]

The bill was going to create caps on the number of illegals (in the hundreds of thousands) that were to be allowed in per year? lol wtf. The number cap is currently 0. So enforce it. That bill was worse than government ordered single ply toilet paper.

What cap are you referring to?

This bill would have created a cap that triggered a state of emergency, restricting new entries until the system could process everyone (I think it was around 4,000-5,000 new cases in a week).

In addition, it would have increased funding for border patrol, judges, expanded detention facilities, etc, in order to meet the demands of the high volume. The standard for asylum would have been increased, as well, meaning you would have needed to show actual “credible fear” to be received. The details are laid out pretty thoroughly here.

How would those things have exacerbated the border crisis?

 

[Marauder06]

Tbf, aside from the meme and fitness threads this is basically the same as the conservative subreddit.

Less brigading from liberals and accusations that everyone not riding Trump's nuts is a RINO, but pretty close overall.

It doesn't have to be that way. You can invite like-minded people to be here. I've invited several liberal friends over the years.

Most of the time they don't stay, my hypothesis is that it's because they're not able to exist intellectually outside a bubble of self-affirmation where everyone agrees with them and tells them exactly what they want to hear.

One of things I like about you is, you are.

To be clear, the above is meant as a genuine compliment and not a snide remark.

 

[Marauder06]

Under Biden, Congress almost passed a bipartisan bill that, to my understanding, would have helped solve a lot of the issues at the border. However, Trump got it killed because he wanted to run on that as a campaign issue. I think any talk of Biden’s effectiveness (or lack thereof) on immigration needs to consider the impacts of that bill, had it passed.

As I understand it, COVID is to blame for the massive influx of immigrants in recent years (and probably a lot of other factors, like political instability to the south). The issue was the massive backlog and how we processed individuals. They would show up and we would set them up with a hotel and a court date and just trust that they would show up. This bill would have made so a state of emergency was triggered during high traffic periods that shut the entire asylum system down. This would allow for the backlog to be processed, which would have also been helped by the other provisions in the bill, like increasing the budget of border patrol and expanding the number of adjudicators with stricter standards for asylum.

So I would like to know, if immigration were such an important issue, why they decided to kill that bill? It had overwhelming bipartisan support and seemed to address many of the problems in our immigration system.

Some claimed the bill was killed because it included provisions about foreign defense spending for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan, but it wasn’t very long afterwards that Congress passed a different bill for exactly those things.

The reason that bill died is because enough people actually read it.

It was a garbage bill filled with pork and unrelated issues. Many saw it as a closet amnesty bill, and the main provision of it only kicked in if the average number of illegal immigrant border crossers encountered by authorities averaged over 4,000 **A DAY** for seven days.

4,000 x 365 = 1.46 million a year. That's 1.46 million a year too many.

Much of what was in the bill, President Biden could have done on his own, he just chose not to.

 

[BlackSmokeRisinG]

Under Biden, Congress almost passed a bipartisan bill that, to my understanding, would have helped solve a lot of the issues at the border. However, Trump got it killed because he wanted to run on that as a campaign issue. I think any talk of Biden’s effectiveness (or lack thereof) on immigration needs to consider the impacts of that bill, had it passed.

As I understand it, COVID is to blame for the massive influx of immigrants in recent years (and probably a lot of other factors, like political instability to the south). The issue was the massive backlog and how we processed individuals. They would show up and we would set them up with a hotel and a court date and just trust that they would show up. This bill would have made so a state of emergency was triggered during high traffic periods that shut the entire asylum system down. This would allow for the backlog to be processed, which would have also been helped by the other provisions in the bill, like increasing the budget of border patrol and expanding the number of adjudicators with stricter standards for asylum.

So I would like to know, if immigration were such an important issue, why they decided to kill that bill? It had overwhelming bipartisan support and seemed to address many of the problems in our immigration system.

Some claimed the bill was killed because it included provisions about foreign defense spending for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan, but it wasn’t very long afterwards that Congress passed a different bill for exactly those things.

Dude....no disrespect.

If you think that bill was either bipartisan or needed for the country to take on immigration, this may not be the board for you. You may need to look up historical immigration enforcement during other admins, and, asylum practice as it relates to migration. Off the bat, asylum seekers used to find refuge in the first safe country available, not walk through 3-4 countries before making their way to the U.S. Less than 30% of "legit" asylum cases are granted. Maybe less than 20%, I'm not doing the digging right now. You should. The system is not a loophole for tens of millions of random people to come in unquestioned, claim asylim and have an anchor baby so they can't get kicked out. That is a scam and an affront to our values...

Many of us work for the government in various fashion, and most have at least taken a peek behind the curtain and seen how the fuckery unfolds before its released to the public. Almost nothing you see on the news, especially MSM is even half accurate. You are being sold a story to keep your attention engaged for advertisement revenue.

 

[BlackSmokeRisinG]

Tbf, aside from the meme and fitness threads this is basically the same as the conservative subreddit.

Less brigading from liberals and accusations that everyone not riding Trump's nuts is a RINO, but pretty close overall.

Hard disagree. I go on reddit, not so much conservative subs but city and subject ones.

If SS were like reddit you'd have 20 downvotes on 1/3 of the posts here and guys calling each other boot lickers and cucks nonstop.

Half of this thread is a legit back and forth about the rules and laws of our society.