National Protest and 'disband the cops' discussion (and now ICE)

[ThunderHorse]

@ThunderHorse , forgive the cliche but who are "these people"? I mean are you literally saying that the THOUSANDS of peaceful protesters also don't want justice? (whatever that justice looks like to them?)

Because come on, you've followed this a LOT closer than I have an even I can tell you about the countless documented cases where looting/damage were starting by white people, with the explicit purpose of getting minorities into the action and having them being the ones seen on TV.

You (and many in these threads) are acting as if a few are talking for the many. With that paradigm you should believe that the KKK speaks for all whites.

I have been very specific with a lot of my posts. The "people" I'm specifically talking about are in Portland, Seattle, and Chicago. I have posted numerous links to videos and articles that show the tactics of the Black Bloc. One was specifically a briefing from Chicago PD that showed the specific TTPs of Antifa using a fake BLM march to hide what they were doing, but it was all caught via CPD drones.

There may be peaceful protests for whatever people may desire during the day. But it has been clear, that in both Seattle and Portland the only people out "protesting" at night are Black Bloc agitators that are assaulting private citizens as well as law enforcement. The leaders of these fair cities are choosing to de-fund their police departments instead of prosecuting the rioters and looters. It took a security guard getting shot at a mall in Chicago before Lightfoot called out the Rioters and said it wouldn't stand. After Weeks and weeks of riots in Chicago.

Mr Floyd will get his justice. The former officer involved is detained and will face trial. But the evidence that continues to surface shows a complicated and tragic situation.

Will the multiple people shot in the CHAZ get justice? Nope. Will the multiple people killed by their fellow "protester" in Louisville get Justice? No.

Since this unrest has gone on, the only thing that isn't surprising is the lack of deadly force used by the various LEAs across the country. That has been extremely consistent.

So how is my friend who is a child advocacy attorney supposed to get justice? How are all of these people whom have been harmed supposed to get justice? They aren't supposed to be speedbumps in whatever this is.

 

[amlove21]

If you throw bricks through personal property or a business.go sit in a cell , after you clean it up.

Wish that was a reality. We both know, it’s wishful thinking.

 

[amlove21]

If truth is found there, I didn't put it there. What is passive agressive about it?

This is a meta comment. So, did you mean that my privilege affected my statement? Its passive aggressive because you started out by saying, ‘this might be in jest’.

Do you see how that allows you to say what you want- that my compassion comes from my privilege- while still giving yourself an out about just sort of joking?

How about this-“I’m totally joking here, but you look way out of your depth. It’s like you’re just copy/pasting Fox News headlines and not speaking to the people you’re addressing. Lolol!”

If there’s truth there, I didn’t put it there. Fair?

 

[Ooh-Rah]

Somebody will have to explain to me why this is okay.

This is Democrat John Thompson, campaigning for State House in district 67A in St. Paul, protesting at the the home of Minneapolis Police Officer Bob Kroll, who is the head of the MPD Police union.

I missed memo that Officer Kroll was a “klansman and Grand Wizard” as candidate Thompson accuses him of being.

NSFW -Language

https://twitter.com/x/status/1294753605082402816

 

[ThunderHorse]

Somebody will have to explain to me why this is okay.

This is Democrat John Thompson, campaigning for State House in district 67A in St. Paul, protesting at the the home of Minneapolis Police Officer Bob Kroll, who is the head of the MPD Police union.

I missed memo that Officer Kroll was a “klansman and Grand Wizard” as candidate Thompson accuses him of being.

NSFW -Language

https://twitter.com/x/status/1294753605082402816

I would assume the addresses of police officers is confidential information? So that means he was doxed. And I'd also arrest every single one of those dudes.

 

[Ranger Psych]

This is a meta comment. So, did you mean that my privilege affected my statement? Its passive aggressive because you started out by saying, ‘this might be in jest’.

Do you see how that allows you to say what you want- that my compassion comes from my privilege- while still giving yourself an out about just sort of joking?

How about this-“I’m totally joking here, but you look way out of your depth. It’s like you’re just copy/pasting Fox News headlines and not speaking to the people you’re addressing. Lolol!”

If there’s truth there, I didn’t put it there. Fair?

You and I need to just take my damn Gear360 and go for a drive in the Blazer through Portland and Seattle... to show where stupidity happens, and how much non-stupidity there is in contrast.

Then we can go do the Gambler next year.

 

[amlove21]

You and I need to just take my damn Gear360 and go for a drive in the Blazer through Portland and Seattle... to show where stupidity happens, and how much non-stupidity there is in contrast.

Then we can go do the Gambler next year.

Man I’ve never been any more in.

 

[GOTWA]

My position is, “The MSM is lying to you.The people you’re talking about are Americans. Have you talked to them? You should. America is worth it. Stop believing the shit you see on the news at face value and get out there and talk. Engage instead of bitching from your phone.”

I value your opinion and I wish you'd contribute more often, but I understand why.

A simple first step for America is to stop calling MSM outlets 'news outlets'. If we could all see them for the Mainstream Propaganda Outlets (MPOs) they are, we might be able to get somewhere. The problem with that is it requires people to form their own opinions, rather than being told how to feel/act. The only difference between our media and China's, is they're not state owned, but they are party owned. Not too far off if you think about it.

I'm cynical these days.

 

[Hungry_Dog]

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I'll reply to this in PM as suggested.

Second part I'll address it openly as you did.

This is a meta comment. So, did you mean that my privilege affected my statement? Its passive aggressive because you started out by saying, ‘this might be in jest’.

I'm not going to explain the joke.

I didn't say it "might" be a joke, I said it is. You know, because I don't know you and you're not my friend. Prefacing the joke was important for you and everyone to know I was not saying it seriously; And like now, I didn't want to have to explain that it was a joke after the fact. "But why would you joke with someone you don't know... etc?" Because it breaks the ice? tf. And apparently the boards are filled with tension.

Do you see how that allows you to say what you want- that my compassion comes from my privilege- while still giving yourself an out about just sort of joking?

I understand what you're saying, but absolutely disagree. If this isn't the place for jokes fine; say that. It's another to insinuate that I'm genuinely trying to dig at you.

How about this-“I’m totally joking here, but you look way out of your depth. It’s like you’re just copy/pasting Fox News headlines and not speaking to the people you’re addressing. Lolol!”

Is this how you took it? If you feel my answers mimic the " THE MOST BEST NUMBER 1 HIGHEST RATED NEWS NETWORK IN THE COUNTRY---

Just kidding.

If there’s truth there, I didn’t put it there. Fair?

The truth currently is that you're obviously not someone to joke with.

 

[Florida173]

Meanwhile, not in other news. Has anyone seen Mille Weaver's documentary yet? It's definitely more conspiracy theory stuff with elements of truth all layered in to create more distrust of the government. Does it help her story though that she was arrested leading up to the release though? I'd link it, but youtube apparently already took it down. Flat earth and ancient alien videos good, big military industrial complex trying to derail trump conspiracy apparently bad. I'll link of i see it again

Here's my favorite Canadian lawyer talking about the arrest.

Edit to clarify the common thread is the prorests and defund the policy movements are part of the overall IO campaign against the American people. So honestly my post would have sat in probably four different threads.

 

[amlove21]

I'll reply to this in PM as suggested.

Second part I'll address it openly as you did.

Hate because you’re either being purposely obtuse and now claiming the victim OR because we just can’t even have a rational conversation on this board. Both are sad.

Either way, looking forward to the PM.

 

[amlove21]

Meanwhile, not in other news. Has anyone seen Mille Weaver's documentary yet? It's definitely more conspiracy theory stuff with elements of truth all layered in to create more distrust of the government. Does it help her story though that she was arrested leading up to the release though? I'd link it, but youtube apparently already took it down. Flat earth and ancient alien videos good, big military industrial complex trying to derail trump conspiracy apparently bad. I'll link of i see it again

Here's my favorite Canadian lawyer talking about the arrest.

Edit to clarify the common thread is the prorests and defund the policy movements are part of the overall IO campaign against the American people. So honestly my post would have sat in probably four different threads.

You’re not wrong. Ben Shapiro’s new book (How to Destroy America in 3 Easy Steps) is a great dive into the coordinated campaign as well.

The audiobook is a VERY easy listen and well worth it.

 

[Locksteady]

Somebody will have to explain to me why this is okay.

This is Democrat John Thompson, campaigning for State House in district 67A in St. Paul, protesting at the the home of Minneapolis Police Officer Bob Kroll, who is the head of the MPD Police union.

I missed memo that Officer Kroll was a “klansman and Grand Wizard” as candidate Thompson accuses him of being.

It looks like a predictable 'rhetort' to Kroll's previous hyperbolic designation of Black Lives Matter as a terrorist movement, with the comment likely stemming on this and this incident involving Kroll, notwithstanding his checkered MPD history mentioned further down in the first link.

It also looks like a smart play for him to secure the slot in that district.

I would assume the addresses of police officers is confidential information? So that means he was doxed.

The way you preface the term suggests that the confidentiality of the information factors in to whether it qualifies as 'doxxed'. If we accept that premise, then the fact that the protesters knew where to go doesn't conclude anything about how the information got out. There are a number of legal and socially acceptable ways for people to come upon a peace officer's home address without putting in any work engaging in Internet database searches or cracks.

And I'd also arrest every single one of those dudes.

All costing valuable manpower, resources, time, and tax dollars to accomplish.

It seems they saved a lot more in each of those areas just by dispatching officers just to monitor the protest and keep the peace.

 

[amlove21]

No surprise. Austin has had a deluge of of west coast liberals flood the area and slowly turn the city into a liberal tech center hell hole. Here's hoping the Lone Star spirit curb stomps the useful idiots trying to radically change Texas.

Link? Or just your opinion? I have a lot of friends in Austin. What makes it a ‘liberal tech center he’ll hole’?

 

[R.Caerbannog]

Link? Or just your opinion? I have a lot of friends in Austin. What makes it a ‘liberal tech center he’ll hole’?

Austin tends to be the butt of many jokes from my more conservative acquaintances in Texas. (Welcome to Texas please don't move here. Welcome to Texas, we're full.)

Here you go though. A picture is worth a thousand words.


The Worst Kinds of Austin Transplants

 

[R.Caerbannog]

Gonna get real weird, here, but yeah. They are Americans. Stupid, misguided, young, brainwashed, misled, exploited. Whatever.

So, like anything else in the world, Americans come first. I’m not willing to write other Americans off without a cursory attempt to actually engage with them.

To clear the waters, I think the bolded is the crux of the issue. The thing is Marxism and it's ideals don't really adhere with the principals of nationality. To a degree, Marxism uses nationality as a way to protect it's ideologues. (It's akin to an invading cancer cell using the body's own defense mechanism to replicate and kill it's host.)

I think @Hungry_Dog hit on an important topic too. Being born American doesn't automatically make you a good person. Just because these Marxists are US nationals, it doesn't excuse them breaking social order to bend us to their misguided (and extremely suicidal) will.

Look at it like this. The Russian Marxists who killed and tortured millions of their fellow citizens thought of themselves as patriots, doing dirty work that had to be done. That same premise is repeated wherever Marxism has been allowed to take hold. American or not these homegrown Marxists are heralds of death and destruction.

 

[SOSTCRNA]

SEATTLE IS A HELLISH POST-MARXIST REVOLUTION.

Kidding. It’s fine except for about 4 blocks and some organized protests. And everyone there- even the ‘woke’ ones- aren’t what the MSM (remember, kids, Faux News and One Atrocious News Network are still MSM) would lead you to believe.

And the seafood hasn’t skipped a beat!
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ETA- all y’all talking about how the news has people brainwashed and are posting news about where you aren’t? Have a beer and some oysters. Put your phone down. It’ll do wonders.

My post here is only to say that we will be out there next month to visit our kids. Have a salmon fishing trip booked and a house rented for three nights on the beach, going to bloat myself on seafood and beer for a week. Can’t f’ing wait.

 

[ThunderHorse]

It looks like a predictable 'rhetort' to Kroll's previous hyperbolic designation of Black Lives Matter as a terrorist movement, with the comment likely stemming on this and this incident involving Kroll, notwithstanding his checkered MPD history mentioned further down in the first link.

It also looks like a smart play for him to secure the slot in that district.
The way you preface the term suggests that the confidentiality of the information factors in to whether it qualifies as 'doxxed'. If we accept that premise, then the fact that the protesters knew where to go doesn't conclude anything about how the information got out. There are a number of legal and socially acceptable ways for people to come upon a peace officer's home address without putting in any work engaging in Internet database searches or cracks.All costing valuable manpower, resources, time, and tax dollars to accomplish.

It seems they saved a lot more in each of those areas just by dispatching officers just to monitor the protest and keep the peace.

I don't get you man. And no, this is not socially acceptable. Your attempt to defend this behavior is awful. He'll now have a detail on his street patrolling in a greater capacity because his address was leaked. (Legally or illegally)

 

[Locksteady]

I don't get you man. And no, this is not socially acceptable.

Social decorum rarely is a driving concern for any groups who have successfully attempted change through activism. In fact, disagreement on those grounds from non-supporters is often taken as an indicator to non-rioting protesters like these to continue exercising their free speech rights in those ways.

Your attempt to defend this behavior is awful.

I suppose you are also free to conflate my feedback with a defense of his behavior.

He'll now have a detail on his street patrolling in a greater capacity because his address was leaked. (Legally or illegally)

That should hopefully help in case more malicious elements want to take advantage of information that, beyond its immediate availability to neighbors and anyone delivering material to his doorstep, is increasingly more challenging to hide due to the IoT.

 

[DA SWO]

Link? Or just your opinion? I have a lot of friends in Austin. What makes it a ‘liberal tech center he’ll hole’?

No surprise. Austin has had a deluge of of west coast liberals flood the area and slowly turn the city into a liberal tech center hell hole. Here's hoping the Lone Star spirit curb stomps the useful idiots trying to radically change Texas.

Austin tends to be the butt of many jokes from my more conservative acquaintances in Texas. (Welcome to Texas please don't move here. Welcome to Texas, we're full.)

Here you go though. A picture is worth a thousand words.
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The Worst Kinds of Austin Transplants

Keep Austin weird has been a local joke for decades.

That said, Austin (home of UT Austin) has been extremely liberal as long as I have been in Texas, 16 years and counting.
Previous, and current Governor have gone out of their way to bring CA tech firms into Texas (primarily Austin). My very liberal brother-in-law (tech guy who USE to live in Austin) has started to complain about people californicating his state.

Austin isn't a total hell-hole, but that's because the current Governor use State Law and agencies to go in and clean up when things start to get out of control.